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CA: 'Moderate' governor grates many in GOP (growing perception of his flip-flopping on issues)
SFGate.com ^ | 8/17/06 | Tom Chorneau

Posted on 08/17/2006 10:00:23 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

Sacramento -- Newport Beach (Orange County) Councilman Richard Nichols won't be among those cheering when Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger takes the stage this weekend at the state Republican Convention in Los Angeles.

Like a lot of conservative voters, the 66-year-old Nichols said he's disillusioned with the governor's recent efforts to recast himself as a political moderate in order to curry favor among Democrats and independent voters.

Schwarzenegger's new strategy, which has boosted him in the polls, has also attracted criticism from both ends of the political spectrum that the governor has reversed position on key issues -- like education spending, the environment, health care reform and immigration -- for political advantage.

A close review, however, shows the governor's record is far more mixed: some positions have clearly changed, others have merely evolved and some have remained consistent but the rhetoric surrounding the subject has changed.

Still, even the perception that a candidate has flip-flopped on issues is a big danger and something Schwarzenegger will be looking to quell this weekend among party loyalists and later as he tries to appeal to Democrats and independents.

"I've not endorsed the governor, even though they've asked me a number of times to do so," Nichols said. "I feel he's abandoned the constituency that elected him."

The charge is a serious one that voters from both parties pay close attention to, said Thad Kousser, a political scientist at UC San Diego.

"As the last presidential election made clear -- changing positions can be more damaging to a candidate than having unpopular positions," he said. "Not being steadfast becomes a character issue."

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: cagop; cagopconvention; calgov2006; california; flipflopping; governor; grates; issues; moderate; perception; schwarzenegger; schwarzerenegger
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He and Kerry are long time friends, after all.
1 posted on 08/17/2006 10:00:24 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

And how to tell a flipflopper from a waffler?


2 posted on 08/17/2006 10:01:43 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: NormsRevenge
Flip flop my butt.

He just lied.

3 posted on 08/17/2006 10:05:33 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The fourth estate is the fifth column.)
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To: Carry_Okie
Flip flop my butt. He just lied.

Naw, he just acted.
4 posted on 08/17/2006 10:10:51 PM PDT by rottndog (WOOF!!!)
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To: NormsRevenge

Angelides and his ideas anneals the GOP base to Arnold, no matter how empty he and "RINO" he may be. The debate on that one is over, in my view. Angelides needs to bag the independents, and reduce his Dem defections to near single digits. He has an uphill battle.


5 posted on 08/17/2006 10:23:01 PM PDT by Torie
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To: rottndog
Arnold can act?
6 posted on 08/17/2006 10:27:07 PM PDT by Invisible Gorilla
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To: NormsRevenge
As a candidate, Schwarzenegger also condemned the use of loans, fund shifts and accounting gimmicks by former Gov. Gray Davis. He vowed to "tear up the state's credit card" and force the state to "live within our means."

Since taking office, however, Schwarzenegger has backed massive borrowing programs. He along with Democratic leaders pushed Proposition 57 in 2004, a $15 billion bond measure to refinance the state's budget deficit. This year, the governor proposed an even bigger bond deal to pay for new schools, roads and water systems -- the $37 billion infrastructure bond measures that will be on this November's ballot.

Fiscal Conservative.... yeah, right.

7 posted on 08/17/2006 10:35:51 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: calcowgirl

Since taking office, however, Schwarzenegger has backed massive borrowing programs. He along with Democratic leaders pushed Proposition 57 in 2004, a $15 billion bond measure to refinance the state's budget deficit. This year, the governor proposed an even bigger bond deal to pay for new schools, roads and water systems -- the $37 billion infrastructure bond measures that will be on this November's ballot.

Fiscal Conservative.... yeah, right.


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You ain't seen nothin' yet!


8 posted on 08/17/2006 10:37:14 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ......Help the "Pendleton 8' and families -- http://www.freerepublic.com/~normsrevenge/)
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To: Torie

It could well be a real nail biter in the end..

Too bad some here construe some folks efforts here as working for PHILth, when in fact, we are trying to send a message to CA GOP central and the Gub to rein in their leftward plunge or we will all pay dearly,,

Playing to the middle is dangerous business and for business as things are going now,, with the climate chnage and massive bonds in play at a time when their is
No attempt at restrining spending at all evident.

Hopefully that message can be reinforced at the convention.. but if things stay the course, it will be ignored as it was last go around.


9 posted on 08/17/2006 10:44:55 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ......Help the "Pendleton 8' and families -- http://www.freerepublic.com/~normsrevenge/)
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To: NormsRevenge

Arnold has not been a very effective governor in so many ways, putting aside ideology. No doubt about it. He is superficial, in my view. He lacks intellectual capital. In that regard, his bond ideas were ludicrous, and his handling, and then advocacy. of his ballot intiatives was pathetic. But my post stands. His opponent is unacceptable, to anyone conservative or reasonable moderate, or even liberal and informed. In the end, one must make a choice. That is my judgment. I have voted for Dem governor candidates before in California (I stray more in state races than federal races), but I will not this time.


11 posted on 08/17/2006 10:53:07 PM PDT by Torie
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Careful....you know, the approved Freeper position is now apparently to vote for Lieberman in Connecticut. If they'll vote for liberal Dem, they sure as hell will harass you to vote for Arnold.

I'm leaning towards the libertarian at this point. I read his positions on his website. He's a fiscal conservative, strong on immigration and American values. Libertarians can be a little nutty sometimes, and I am not a libertarian on things like drugs, but one libertarian governor would not be able to legalize anything. If he wins, great. If not, maybe someone else who has good positions will run next time. Maybe he'll even be a Republican.

12 posted on 08/17/2006 10:57:43 PM PDT by Defiant (Let the Muzzies travel on their own airlines so they don't endanger the rest of us.)
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To: Torie

I have voted for Dem governor candidates before in California (I stray more in state races than federal races), but I will not this time.

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I never have voted dem, in some ways , I feel like I am being forced to. I have not completely ruled out voting for him, tho the odds are very slim, PHILth is not even an option.

I agree with your statements re: state v federal races


13 posted on 08/17/2006 11:01:17 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ......Help the "Pendleton 8' and families -- http://www.freerepublic.com/~normsrevenge/)
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To: NormsRevenge
Voting third party is just not voting, absent highly unusual circumstances, not in play here. It is not as if voting third party is going to influence much of anything in California, in state races at least. The state does not work that way. It is all about image, and celebrity, and perceptions, with voters quite uninformed about state issues. State issues, unless something really hot button comes up, ala illegal immigration, or fiscal collapse, tend to be once complex and boring. Neither are much in play in this particular race, since there is not that much distance between the two.
14 posted on 08/17/2006 11:08:59 PM PDT by Torie
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To: NormsRevenge
Isn't Schwarzenegger half Kennedy?

yitbos

15 posted on 08/17/2006 11:51:24 PM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds. " - Ayn Rand)
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To: NormsRevenge
Arnold has never said he was a Reagan conservative. All of us have gotten used to it. He's been pretty consistent in the policies he's pursued since he became Governor and apart from a few exceptions, there's not much there to make conservatives happy.

(No more Olmert! No more Kadima! No more Oslo!)

16 posted on 08/18/2006 12:00:21 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: calcowgirl
If there had been some spending cuts, I might be mildly enthusiastic. As it stands, I see nothing to write home about. Arnold's a great actor and isn't exactly a courageous leader. Two very different things. California deserves more of the latter in a Governor. Needless to say, his opponent doesn't live up to that billing.

(No more Olmert! No more Kadima! No more Oslo!)

17 posted on 08/18/2006 12:03:21 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: NormsRevenge
First up, the liberal Arnold Schwarzenegger.

Next up, the liberal Rudy Giuliani.

Don't we have enough liberals in government, no more please!

18 posted on 08/18/2006 12:33:50 AM PDT by Reagan Man (Conservatives don't support amnesty and conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: Invisible Gorilla

I was being tongue-in-cheek....


19 posted on 08/18/2006 6:37:24 AM PDT by rottndog (WOOF!!!)
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To: NormsRevenge; calcowgirl

When Arnold said that he was going to Sacramento to blow up boxes, I assumed that he meant he would be destroying them. He apparently meant he was going to inflate them.

I hope the CA GOP holds Schwarzenegger's feet to the fire, but I'm not at all optimistic.

McClintock is the hope for California Conservatives.


20 posted on 08/18/2006 8:09:28 AM PDT by SmithL (The fact that they can't find Hoffa is proof that he never existed.)
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