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Mark Steyn: It's breeding obvious, mate
The Australian ^ | August 18, 2006 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 08/17/2006 11:19:22 AM PDT by RKV

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To: SF Republican

PING. It's a long read, but worth it.


141 posted on 08/19/2006 7:08:45 AM PDT by TexasNative2000 (Thailand?)
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To: RKV
In any retirement plan, whether you plan on living on social security or returns on investment, everything rests on the assumption that there will be a productive middle-class next generation to pay the taxes and fill the companies that are supposed to pay the dividends. If that suddenly becomes not true, then the whole house of cards collapses

At that point we are back to the old formula: have as many kids as you can, and raise them well, in the hope that at least one will feed you in your old age

The big question will be whether this will happen before or after Western Civilization collapses. The pivotal moment will come when we have to choose between being able to pay for welfare, and being able to pay for social security

The first thing that must go is the subsidizing of the population growth of the non-working underclass, at the expense of the middle class

142 posted on 08/19/2006 7:41:28 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (A planned society is most appealing to those with the arrogance to think they will be the planners)
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To: XJarhead
Like decaying Rome, you have a center with a declining birthrate demanding its bread and circuses to keep the masses happy. The modern European welfare state. And that declining birthrate meant that you saw a demographic barbarization of the Empire, in addition to just plain old invasions. Just like they're seeing now. They really don't have the guts to fight off the barbarians -- they just buy them off with appeasement.

If Rome had had a vigorous birth rate, the result would have been Romans expanding into the lands of the barbarians (and killing them off) rather than the other way around

The Roman welfare system allowed a man to contemplate survival by just continuing to consume the free welfare bread, rather than by raising many sons to farms his homestead in his old age

It was the lack of Romans which doomed Rome

143 posted on 08/19/2006 7:49:32 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (A planned society is most appealing to those with the arrogance to think they will be the planners)
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To: DaveMSmith
I'm a married heterosexual who lives in Kansas. We have a shale green 2001 PT Crusier with no bumper stickers or magnetic support ribbons (they affected the wax job)

The only way to reverse the trend is for Christians to have as many kids as they can manage, raise them well, and not have the education system destroy their minds and souls

Within a couple of generations, the Leftists will not have many descendents (as long as we can stop them from recruiting among ours)

144 posted on 08/19/2006 7:55:27 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (A planned society is most appealing to those with the arrogance to think they will be the planners)
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To: MrNatural
A new challenge, and it is coming, will find the Warrior 'tradition' reappearing as from nowhere.

China is rising, as is Islam. Both will impact Japan in the Pacific. And they will soon realize that the US will not protect them forever

145 posted on 08/19/2006 7:58:52 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (A planned society is most appealing to those with the arrogance to think they will be the planners)
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To: RKV
If we make the Tokyo and Mexico City airports compatible with the Airbus 380, a whole lot of problems might get solved.

Lemonade from lemons or what?

146 posted on 08/19/2006 8:05:35 AM PDT by Tribune7
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To: SauronOfMordor

The hidden assumption in that argument is that a warm body is a warm body is a warm body, and that one person produces about as much as another (even if one is living in 1956, the next is living in 2006, and the last is living in 2056). The failure of the argument once this assumption is dragged into the light of day is obvious.


147 posted on 08/19/2006 2:24:52 PM PDT by steve-b ("Creation Science" is to the religous right what "Global Warming" is to the socialist left.)
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To: RKV

bump for a later read....


148 posted on 08/20/2006 5:00:09 PM PDT by technochick99 ( Firearm of choice: Sig Sauer....)
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To: FrogHawk

Long, but well worth it.


149 posted on 08/20/2006 5:28:12 PM PDT by toomanygrasshoppers ("In technical terminology, he's a loon")
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To: garbanzo

"Cryptonomicon"

--great book, just finished "The Baroque Cycle", also great.


150 posted on 08/20/2006 5:52:51 PM PDT by Unassuaged (I have shocking data relevant to the conversation!)
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To: SauronOfMordor; Quix; kerryusama04
Instilling kids with spiritual values is really what it's all about. The Lord makes sure these values are implanted despite what parents teach. 'Leftism' is not hereditary.

Schools have a lot to do with it. I went to public school and really had conflicting issues almost all my life. It wasn't until late that I settled down and honestly asked the Lord what He wanted for me.

A wider issue, though, was my mom divorced my father when I was 8. It was very traumatic for me. We were forbidden to speak about him except when we misbehaved, my mother would pack up our stuff to go live with him. Mom is a conservative Republican, BTW.

She remarried when I was 12 to a wonderful spiritual man. I 'took' every quality he had and made it my own.... his religion, his music, his occupation, etc. The only thing I didn't do was go to the private Church school he attended, which I regretted.

We believe the Lord adopts orphans as His own children. We also believe for a child, that the father represents the Lord in their life. Additionally, we believe there is hereditary evils from your natural parents that must be put off to be regenerate. In heaven, the only known Father is the Lord.

It took me a long long time to learn and accept this. I rejected my Church and spent years in therapy trying to find an answer that made some sense. After I realized the truths above, I cooperated with the Lord and He has shown me more... much more than I can even describe here.

Blessings,

151 posted on 08/21/2006 4:11:23 AM PDT by DaveMSmith ("With everyone, Christian charity consists in his performing faithfully the duties of his calling".)
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To: RKV

Re your post#91.
You are right on target. Best advice I've seen in a while!


152 posted on 08/21/2006 4:31:30 AM PDT by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis "Ya gotta saddle up your boys; Ya gotta draw a hard line")
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To: P from Sheb

Don't blame the Vat. As the author implies, the west is post-Christian. Our leisure time and Prime Time TV are more important. For the overwhelmingly large majority religeon has been replaced by a vague non-judgemental spirituality- G-d has become Santa Claus. The feel good TV ministries that encourage prosperity are another fine example.


153 posted on 08/21/2006 4:47:01 AM PDT by ffusco (Maecilius Fuscus,Governor of Longovicium , Manchester, England. 238-244 AD)
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