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To: spatso
I was struck by your assertion that religious people use the Genesis creation story to trounce science. What you do not make clear is that you understand the difference between religion and the presence of God.
One can be religious and have no clear understanding of the existence of God. One can have a personal relationship with God and not be religious.
Much of the distaste that TOE'ers have for religion is shared by theists who believe that religion is a substitute for unity with the Creator. Sorry if this is beyond you. It IS significant and is never addressed by those claiming a non theistic cosmology.
ID is not about religion, try though TOE'ers demand it. ID is about metaphysics and the philosophy of science. Darwinists would have us believe that such studies are irrelevant. They are not.
Every scientific endeavor is predicated upon philosophical assumptions about the nature of reality. This is the apriori of all scientific investigation. No theory or set of tests or evidence can exist in isolation from philosophical assumptions about the nature of reality.
Science does not prove anything about reality. It molds evidence to fit assumptions. As assumptions change, science changes.
188 posted on 08/17/2006 8:34:09 PM PDT by Louis Foxwell (Here come I, gravitas in tow.)
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To: Amos the Prophet
"I was struck by your assertion that religious people use the Genesis creation story to trounce science. What you do not make clear is that you understand the difference between religion and the presence of God."

Fair point and an important distinction. I wish I was more scientifically aware, but my issue is not with science. My concern is the perception of religiosity attached to the so called Creation Sciences. In the end the debate appears to be religion against science. But, my problem is seeing kids breaking up with laughter listening to someone try to explain the concept of intelligent design. On the other hand, kids respond pretty will to the traditional notion of sacred mystery. While the creationists are fighting the scientists they do not realize the damage done to the bright, inquisitive youth in our faith communities.

In terms of the presence of God my experience tends to flow out of Rahner in the "corner of my mind's eye."
193 posted on 08/17/2006 8:56:42 PM PDT by spatso
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