Review of Godless -- (Centers on Evolution)

Powells Review a Day ^ | August 10, 2006 | Jerry Coyne

[LtKerst]

The transitional articles you post are all Biased, and
un-scientific.

it is creation that is supported By the phisical world.

there are exactly Zero, transitional Fosils.

Archeopterix was just a Bird.

Evolutionists are afraid of the truth.

They, like Satan want to be GOD.

[steve-b]

Her hyper-conservativism seems no more grounded than her faith.

True. I give it about three years before she decides that the way to get more attention is to reverse polarity, a la David Brock.

[Liberal Classic]

Archeopterix was just a Bird.

With teeth.

[steve-b]

Find me a court in Europe that produced less death sentences than the Inquisition over the same time period

Really, it's customary to make some attempt to disguise the fallacy of argument from irrelevance.

[steve-b]

But Coulter's writing on the subject was thought-provoking--particularly her expose on the treatment of Richard Sternberg by some within the scientific community, as well as her description of the Scopes Monkey Trial. Very informative stuff.

Given the number of fabrications caught by Ichneumon (who is to Ann Coulter as Buckhead is to Dan Rather), it would be illogical to assume that there is any veracity to these accounts.

[pageonetoo]

So, he predicted in 1862 that Madagascar has a species of hawkmoth with a tongue just slightly shorter than 30 cm. The creature that pollinated that orchid was not learned until 1902,

That's waht I love about science. If I had been concerned over how the flower gets pollinated, I would have sat undera tree with a good book, and watched out of the corner of my eye. I guess those people who take 40 years to observe simple creatures (word properly derived) at work and play is indeed a keen display of intelligence in the scientific community. I wondered who paid for the grant?

[atlaw]

there are exactly Zero, transitional Fosils.

What would a transitional fossil look like? In other words -- suppose for the moment that you are in the field actually searching for transitional fossils. Can you give me a description, or example, of what you would be looking for?

[steve-b]

Funny thing is, I've always liked Coulter. I've got two of her earlier books. It's just that when she ventured out of her field of expertise and into science -- where she clearly knows nothing -- she made a fool of herself. But not, of course, to those who are ignorant of science as she is.
I hope she's got the sense to realize her error, publicly recants this unfortunate episode of Luddism, and recovers her reputation. She was too valuable to conservatism to go out in a blaze of silliness.
Ann -- I know you're lurking! -- I haven't given up on you. But this latest book is an embarrassment.

It would be easier to respect liberals if they were to (for example) similarly call out Michael Moore on his errors and misrepesentations.

[atlaw]

That's waht I love about science. If I had been concerned over how the flower gets pollinated, I would have sat undera tree with a good book, and watched out of the corner of my eye. I guess those people who take 40 years to observe simple creatures (word properly derived) at work and play is indeed a keen display of intelligence in the scientific community. I wondered who paid for the grant?

But of course, you're not interested. Thus, we rely upon people who are in order to advance our knowledge.

[atlaw]

There are litterally thousands of questions about this being anything other than a glorified catfish.

What's a "glorified catfish"? Something that looks like a catfish, but isn't?

[pageonetoo]

So, he predicted in 1862 that Madagascar has a species of hawkmoth with a tongue just slightly shorter than 30 cm. The creature that pollinated that orchid was not learned until 1902...

This is one of the GREAT PRESUMPTIONS. I see something, therefore if I think it can be seen differently, it is evolutionary thinking.

In the same scene, I can see God's display of variety and elegant symbiosis. I see CREATURES of the air, and of the lands, and of the seas. All as different as clouds at sunset, and babies in the womb!

I see the Garden every day on these threads... and alot of whispering serpents!

"Surely you will not die!"

[spatso]

But the problem is not the people who do honorable work, it is not even people who follow blind belief. My difficulty is with those who presume to speak for the Lord. Specifically, when they use their beliefs to try and undermine the Wisdom journey of the Holy Spirit. Once, I thought I knew everything I needed to know about religion and belief. Over time, I have come to understand less and less. Now I am happy to be part of the journey. The kids today are smart as heck. When people of faith engage science in a vanity debate it bothers me that they do not understand the damage they are doing to the curious minds of our children.

It has been years since I looked at the wild man from north. I remember my professor called him the Bible's straight talker. If I remember he railed against the ruling class for the injustices imposed on the poor. My handwritten Bible notes suggests that when Amos was really fired up he usually would say the same thing twice for emphasis.

2:6
(a) because they have sold the virtuous man for silver
(b) and the poor man for a pair of sandals
(a) because they trample on the heads or ordinary people
(b) and push the poor out of their path....

2:13
See then how am going to crush you into the ground.

[betty boop]

Still, she wrote four chapters on a subject she obviously knows nothing but nothing about. She regurgitated a cult literature which has been rebutted on FR (one of not many places outside of laundromat cork boards where such drivel is regularly posted) virtually every time it has reared its moronic head for the last eight years. I have to ask, how smart can she be?

Again, VR, you are engaging in "attacking the messenger." As long as you persist in doing this, we will not be able to consider the merits of any point she has raised that you dispute. Personally, I'd rather be talking about the issues than about Ann.

Capice?

[hosepipe]

[ Ann's argument that their widow status is supposed to make them polemically bullet-proof is dead-on. ]

I'll go one step farther.. people of the "evolutionary" persuasion deem themselves bullet proof too.. And despise the bullet vests creationists seem to have.. Except they are smart and know when "bullet proof itself" is being attacked..

They can see(deduce) that if "today" the liberals sacrosanct ploy of trotting out someone "bullet proof" won't work anymore.. Thier own "bullet proof" arguments might be at risk..

Yeah, thats what Ann Coulter did!.. with this book.. She assaulted "bullet proof" gambits aimed at the "uninformed"..

The..... everybody "knows" humans came from monkeys and if from monkeys then monkeys from some other small mammal leading to where did that mammal come from.. "primordial soup?".. resulting in some form of "God Soup".. Yeah Ann Coulter attacked "bullet proof arguments" and the evolutionists know it.. Because "in their mind" evolution is bullet proof.. i.e. they have on a bullet proof vest of their own... And some of them (here on FR) feel threated, as they should.. Ann Coulter is a genius..

Evolutionists wear bullet proof vests!?... Who knew?...
They use the same tailor(metaphor) as liberals do..

[pageonetoo]

But of course, you're not interested. Thus, we rely upon people who are in order to advance our knowledge.

Day before yesterday, I was on a daily walk with my dog, Spot. We usually head over the mountain to walk on a mountain ridge. Sometimes, we start at the bottom and hike the 1200 or 1300' rise, and back. We spend a lot of time "observing" nature. I live near Martinsburg, WV, most of the year.

I probably have more interest in the world, than you do, if that is an indicator. I spend hours, literally, each day among the work of my Creator. I can tell you that there are creatures great and small. I look around and see chipmunks and deer, possums, and skunks (ewww! Spot found one last month!!!) I don't OBSERVE adaptation, I OBSERVE design. Have you seen a tree growing from rock? What does that prove? (Nothing, of course!)

That day, I was about four miles along into my walk, and suddenly Spot stopped ahead of me. I say him bristle, and then run forward. Following his line, I perceived a big black blob, which rose from behind a rock outcrop to reveal a standing black bear. Spot barked only once, and the bear turned and ran down the mountain. I heard nothing more from Spot and worried, but he came bounding back up and greeted me with a wag.

I would have sorely missed Spot, if the bear had come and attacked me. I know my dog would have defended me to his death. He's just one of the reasons I can believe in God.

I do not subscribe to Bishop Usshers divination of a 6-7000 year old earth. I really don't need to have an age or date attached to creation. I understand God has no reason to justify Himself to you.

That you assume so much from my posts is amazing. Maybe your name should be Kreskin. I'm one of those guys that use their minds for his living. I sell things. I have a pretty good understanding of people and things.

I pay a lot of taxes to provide sustenance to idiots, leaches, and scientists. I prefer things most of the time, to people that think they are superior due to a fluke gives them better than average intelligence, or insight. Of course, when I pay attention to them, I find that, in actuality they are usually just poseurs, and fools!

Which are you?

[spatso]

"IOW, "we have our liturgy, you have yours. Ours is right, because we are smarter than you".

BTW, did they teach you the secret handshake?"

I am embarrassed to say this goes right over my head and I am not really sure what it means. I would appreciate if you would give me an insight into whatever it is in this debate that I appear to be missing.

[hosepipe]

SEE #234

[atlaw]

Very warm. Very fuzzy. The theory of evolution done in by Hallmark and Disney.

[hosepipe]

[ Again, VR, you are engaging in "attacking the messenger." As long as you persist in doing this, we will not be able to consider the merits of any point she has raised that you dispute. Personally, I'd rather be talking about the issues than about Ann. Capice? ]

Nice.. He must have on a "bullet proof vest"...
Amazing how many "Evos" and "liberals" use the same tactics, ain't it.. Somehow the synergy might come from the same place.. not intellectually but spiritually..

[King Prout]

Another blow to the Tiktaalik is the fact that the fins evolutionists claim allow it to crawl on land are not attached to the skeletal structure with bone; the connection is made with muscle. In short, the fin cannot support weight.

amusing.

you are aware of a common surgery on dogs with hip dysplasia, yes? the one which removes the femoral head, leaving a scar-joint in place of the defective ossial joint, yes? you know, the one wherein the end result is a functional load-bearing leg which is connected to the pelvis entirely through soft tissue?