[knighthawk]

Ping

[webheart]

So he thinks that Muslims should be able to vote out the existing government, and then they can vote in whatever kind of government they like. It is much better than trying to force it on people through terrorism. That's pretty much all I got out of the article, which starts out almost interesting but suddenly veers off into illegal Iraq war and disproportionate retaliation by the terrorist state of Israel.

[Edgerunner]

Clearly, British and US policy in the Middle East has fanned the flames of extremism. The Iraq war was a catastrophic error of judgment. George Bush and Tony Blair claimed to be spreading Western liberal values, yet never seemed to realize how corrupt those values appeared when imposed at the barrel of a gun, in breach of international law and on the pretext of lies.

just wrong...read no further...

[Sicon]

Clearly, British and US policy in the Middle East has fanned the flames of extremism. The Iraq war was a catastrophic error of judgment. George Bush and Tony Blair claimed to be spreading Western liberal values, yet never seemed to realise how corrupt those values appeared when imposed at the barrel of a gun, in breach of international law and on the pretext of lies.

Ah, they just can't help repeating the Big Lie (that Bush lied about WMD in Iraq), can they?

[RonF]

What I see from the left is that they tend to focus on evils that are or have been present in Western Civilization (slavery, racism, degradation of women) and on that basis refuse to defend it and even condemn it. Then they hold that other cultures are equal and tend to slough off or ignore the fact that those other cultures have also had these evils and still have them in many cases.

[Proud_USA_Republican]

This article is the left debating the far left.

[IronJack]

As a result, we learned little of any value about the role of radical imams and preachers of hate in fomenting terrorism.

And the ignorance will continue until someone has the courage to offend the Muslims. "Moderation in the defense of liberty is no virtue."

If Muslims want to be tolerated in Western civilization, then they are going to have to raise the bar on what constitutes offense. With our citizens being routinely murdered by Islamic savages who claim to be acting under that religion's dogma, we have a right to be asking what it is about the religion that inspires its disciples to murder. And if that offends someone, then it is painfully clear that their first reaction isn't to assist in defusing this time bomb, but to make sure that none of the dust gets on them when it blows up.

Muslims can prove they are co-operating in this war by not getting offended. Thin skins are a luxury neither we nor they can afford at this point.

[Lady Jag]

Maybe it's the cheap beer, but the Brits have long been good at whining and doing nothing about it. Not like U.S. Americans.