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Plane diversion reveals raw nerves
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Posted on 08/16/2006 7:17:21 PM PDT by traumer

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To: Jotmo

And a number of psycho nuts who have had NO interest in hijacking airplanes have still attempted to get into the cockpit of a moving plane.

If they put the passengers at risk of DEATH, I have no problems with the person being forcibly restrained, by the passengers WITHOUT FEAR OF PROSECUTION.


21 posted on 08/16/2006 9:44:05 PM PDT by weegee (Remember "Remember the Maine"? Well in the current war "Remember the Baby Milk Factory")
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To: rwilson99

A mother was among the Heathrow bombers. She was using her baby and "formula" as cover for the explosive.


22 posted on 08/16/2006 9:46:27 PM PDT by weegee (Remember "Remember the Maine"? Well in the current war "Remember the Baby Milk Factory")
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To: rwilson99
2. The illicit materials reported by an airline/airport spokesperson didn't exist.

Yeah and we were told that Charles Bishop was not a terrorist when he stole and crashed a plane in Tampa. But his suicide note which was released 4 months later called it a "terrorist act" and praised bin Laden.

Moose denied terrorism in the DC Sniper case too.

The authorities have been lying. That is not to say they are lying today, just that a denial is not proof it didn't happen.

3. If the problem was with one passenger who was restrained, why on earth did everyone have to be deplaned, re searched and questioned by the Feds.

Initial reports said it was 3 people (at least suspected).

QUESTIONING is done for witnesses as well as accused. The authorities needed to determine what happened.

23 posted on 08/16/2006 9:50:22 PM PDT by weegee (Remember "Remember the Maine"? Well in the current war "Remember the Baby Milk Factory")
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To: elkfersupper

Thank you on the "cowardice" correction.

Nonetheless, I think it's completely appropriate to do what the security officer tells you to do.

Just like any law/security enforcement body, the TSA doesn't make the rules. Most of them, in my opinion, are simply trying to do the best job they can.

What good, may I ask you, would it be for me, or anyone else, to refuse to do as requested?

The battle is not best engaged at the airline terminal, among people who have no decision making power at all. If you want to "be a man" it's best to take it to your elected representative's office. Otherwise, you're just treating the help like crap for your own satisfaction.


24 posted on 08/16/2006 9:51:03 PM PDT by Greenpees (Coulda Shoulda Woulda)
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To: traumer

The core problem is not Vaseline on the plane, not deodorant on the plane, and not screwdrivers on the plane, it is Muslims on the plane!


25 posted on 08/17/2006 12:33:57 AM PDT by thoughtomator (Islam delenda est)
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To: elkfersupper

Amazing the way the nation has changed in the past fifty years. And not for the better. I no longer go anywhere I cannot drive - WITH my CCW. And I consider that the government's requirement to have a CCW in order to carry a defensive sidearm is a blatant human rights violation and an unconscionable abrogation of the nation's constitution. This is the manner in which citizens lose their rights - slowly, and always "with good cause."

Funny. Put a frog in a pan of hot water and he'll jump out. But put him in a pan of cold water and turn on the heat, and he'll sit there until he boils.


26 posted on 08/17/2006 1:13:12 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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Otherwise, you're just treating the help like crap for your own satisfaction.

We don't need that kind of help.

I quit flying commercially in 1992, when things were just starting to get silly.

I recommend that everyone else quit now. Either that, or engage the civil disobedience machine.

I would like to see an airport full of people arrested or every flight cancelled because everybody in there refuse to act like a bunch of trained monkeys for the TSA.

27 posted on 08/17/2006 7:53:08 AM PDT by elkfersupper
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This is going to be me in a couple of weeks. We are flying on Sept. 1st. I have had both of my knees replaced and set off the alarm when I flew a couple of years ago. I tried to show the cards I got from my doctor, but they weren't interested. I was wanded and patted down. I'm sure I will be strip-searched this time. I'll let you know what happens. Oh, BTW -- I'm a 5'0", 50 something white woman.


28 posted on 08/17/2006 8:01:59 AM PDT by Polyxene (For where God built a church, there the Devil would also build a chapel - Martin Luther)
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To: weegee
Final report from today's USA Today:

Investigators found that the woman had carried hand lotion and a screwdriver aboard the flight, FBI spokeswoman Gail Marcinkiewicz said.

http://www.usatoday.com/travel/news/2006-08-16-plane-diverted_x.htm?csp=34

From yesterday evening's USA Today:

Two fighter jets were scrambled Wednesday to escort a London-to-Washington flight to an emergency landing in Boston after a disturbance in which passengers said a woman in a jogging suit paced up and down the aisle, peppering her incoherent mutterings with the word "Pakistan.".

And from today's Boston CBS4:

Passengers say Mayo paced the aisles and peppered her incoherent mutterings with the word "Pakistan." They said two plainclothes men on board and flight attendants tackled the woman. She was handcuffed while the flight was diverted. After a day filled with conflicting reports about what she was carrying, an FBI spokeswoman confirmed Mayo had a screwdriver, lighters and matches when she was subdued

http://cbs4boston.com/topstories/local_story_229090749.html

So, in a nutshell, virtually all of the early reports were TRUE!!! Just as many of us suspected!

29 posted on 08/17/2006 8:17:11 AM PDT by LikeLight
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To: Polyxene

The people who go through packed luggage in the name of security (and the reason we cannot lock checked bags) also have been caught stealing from that same luggage.

It is more procedural than genuine security.


30 posted on 08/17/2006 8:34:07 AM PDT by weegee (Remember "Remember the Maine"? Well in the current war "Remember the Baby Milk Factory")
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To: LikeLight
Screwdrivers not allowed...
31 posted on 08/17/2006 3:18:49 PM PDT by traumer
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