Posted on 08/16/2006 4:54:30 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin
I must be getting more libertarian in my old age, but I wouldn't deny anyone's right to peacefully assemble provided they aren't advocating violence or government overthrow. The First Amendment is there for a reason whether we like the speaker or not.
This reply is tendentious nonsense. Rather than defend your post on its merits (hint: it has none) you compare it to other, unnamed posts that you have not proven even exist (hint: they don't). I did not say that yours was the only illegitimate reply ever to be posted on FR. I stated quite clearly and directly that your reply was illegitimate and I stated exactly why.
It is very simple: you advocated the use of illegal violence to squelch the expression of opinions that you personally find abhorent. This is what fascists do and it is illegal, unintelligent, and despicable. Further, such fascistic posts are a violation of FR rules (look it up, genius). Therefore you should shut the heck up, as I said before.
If you choose to respond, please make an extra effort to reflect some shred of intelligence in your reply for a change. It's only fair.
I spent a good part of my teenage years running with a punk crowd, and the mortal enemies of any punk worth his salt are Nazis. As I've grown older, more accomplished, and less colorful, I'm suprised to find that my feelings towards Nazis haven't changed much. They're a usless group of mental rejects and bloodthirsty perverts who don't deserve any of the consideration that I give to other people whom I disagree with.
I like to think that there's a group of leather-jacketed and mohawked young men living in Madison who agree with me.
My sentiments exactly. Further, anyone who thinks that leftists will be appeased once they establish their "right" to silence Nazis is a fool. You might as well try to appease the jihadis by tossing Israel overboard. It won't work.
I'm with you, mgstarr.
If you want to quench this fire, just ignore them TOTALLY - no crowds, no opposing demonstration and, above all, no press!
Denying these hate-filled individuals attention is to deny the fuel that fans the flame.
Of course, it would take monumental cooperation to achieve it which is unlikely considering the morbid curiousity of many people and, particularly, those in the press.
"I spent a good part of my teenage years running with a punk crowd, and the mortal enemies of any punk worth his salt are Nazis."
So did I. But, today, a fair number of self-styled "progressives" associate the punk scene with NeoNazis. I have gotten into many near-arguments trying to get the point across that the two were diametrically opposed. But, there's no harder head than a self-righteous liberal on a soapbox.
Good morning, Schicklgruber,
Why did you break so soon?
You swore that you would rule the world,
And, maybe, the stars and moon.
What happened to that super race
You had in '39?
Mein Kampf has backfired in your face
And trickled down your spine.
Carson Robison, 1945 Mother Goose
Too right! Trying to explain that not all punks are lefty socialists gives me a headache.
Your hair-splitting razor is too fine and your analogy too remote. Leftie is leftie and despicable.
Soviets were lefty, Nazis were right-wing.
"Soviets were lefty, Nazis were right-wing."
Nazis were to the right of Stalin, but hardly right wing by our own standards. I recall reading a speech on The Propaganda Archive, of Goebbels going on and on about "We are Socialists!"
I thought it was because the Nazis had better fashion sense.
Settle down tiger. I threw you a very offhand response due, in part, to the aggressiveness of your first response.
Beyond the remnants of fights remembered from my youth, personally I believe that in advocating a regime bent on violence, racism, and murder, neo-Nazis have forfeited the protections normally given by the First Amendment. I don't respect them, and I choose not to follow the law in regards to them.
...you compare it to other, unnamed posts that you have not proven even exist (hint: they don't).
I direct your attention to any of the numerous posts made on FR regarding Islamic terror and what should be done to combat it. Frequently, there will be posts declaring that the best and only way to deal with the problem is to slaughter Arabs/Muslims down to the last man, woman, and child. Example post here.
I did not say that yours was the only illegitimate reply ever to be posted on FR. I stated quite clearly and directly that your reply was illegitimate and I stated exactly why.
I disagree with you. While the post might have been against the letter of the posting guidelines, it was not out of bounds so far as common practice is concerned. I voiced my opinion that neo-Nazis should get their butts kicked, but I didn't use the forum as an organizing point for illegal activity.
It is very simple: you advocated the use of illegal violence to squelch the expression of opinions that you personally find abhorrent. This is what fascists do and it is illegal, unintelligent, and despicable.
I am well aware of the irony of using violence to suppress a political minority being Naziesque in and of itself. I'm willing to live with the cognitive dissonance.
Further, such fascistic posts are a violation of FR rules (look it up, genius). Therefore you should shut the heck up, as I said before.
Having not received a warning from an admin mod or had my posts pulled, I'm going to assume that I'm still on the reservation, so to speak. Until I hear otherwise, I'll do as I please, thank you for your input.
If you choose to respond, please make an extra effort to reflect some shred of intelligence in your reply for a change. It's only fair.
I'll go you one better and make it both civil and without insult (implied or otherwise).
Excerpted from "Those Damned Nazis," by Joseph Goebbels, circa 1932:
Why Are We Socialists?
We are socialists because we see in socialism, that is the union of all citizens, the only chance to maintain our racial inheritance and to regain our political freedom and renew our German state.
Socialism is the doctrine of liberation for the working class. It promotes the rise of the fourth class and its incorporation in the political organism of our Fatherland, and is inextricably bound to breaking the present slavery and regaining German freedom. Socialism, therefore, is not merely a matter of the oppressed class, but a matter for everyone, for freeing the German people from slavery is the goal of contemporary policy. Socialism gains its true form only through a total fighting brotherhood with the forward-striving energies of a newly awakened nationalism. Without nationalism it is nothing, a phantom, a mere theory, a castle in the sky, a book. With it it is everything, the future, freedom, the fatherland!
Link: http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/haken32.htm
I found a similar archive a while back. Makes for some interesting, if disturbing, reading.
However they may have started, by the time they took power, the Nazis were a conglomeration of the most conservative political forces in Germany: The Militarists, the Nationalists, the Monarchists, and the Freikorps. I don't think that any of those had a left-leaning bone in their collective bodies. The left in Germany (communists, et. all) had mostly been driven to emigrate or driven underground by the end of the 20's.
I read that these people are going to stop at that Nazi shrine in Walworth County. The local paper gave the shrine a big story and put it on the map. It was built by a former Nazi soldier because he said that we should see both sides of the story, and Hitler actually liked Jewish people and didn't kill any! Mind-boggling!
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