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Lockheed Says F-35 Could Fly Pilotless
The Washington Post ^ | August 16, 2006 | Washington Post Staff Writer

Posted on 08/16/2006 11:08:28 AM PDT by reagandemo

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To: Red Badger

I've been stating this for years....

After seeing some of the tactical skills displayed by online gaming clans in games like Battlefield, Ghost Recon, Call of Duty etc. I'm 100% convinced that if you held tryouts on Xbox Live for remote control drones, robots or Terminator like humanoid robots we could win any battle with the winners of those tryouts.

Get satellite and LIDAR layouts of an area you wish to sweep, let the gamers train on it for a few days or weeks and boom, let them run the mission. Success would almost be guaranteed. Even against overwhelming numerical superiority the tactics developed by gamers would prevail.

No, I'm not kidding.


41 posted on 08/16/2006 11:43:25 AM PDT by PittsburghAfterDark
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To: Red Badger

His girl friend was HOT!


42 posted on 08/16/2006 11:44:17 AM PDT by Young Werther
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To: PittsburghAfterDark
That was the whole premise on the movie The Last Starfighter...........
43 posted on 08/16/2006 11:45:01 AM PDT by Red Badger (Is Castro dead yet?........)
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To: dartuser
Figure if the pilot loses consciousness due to too many G's, a teenager halfway around the world can take the joystick and bring him home...killing Borg on the way.

Gotta stop watching all these movies....

44 posted on 08/16/2006 11:46:08 AM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon)
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To: Red Badger
Then the US got the novel idea of putting live pilots in each aircraft and the enemies computers could not anticipate the humans moves accurately because humans sometimes did illogical things..............

Odd but I remember another story where the human race had lost mathematics ... when they did rediscover it they wound up using it for replacing expensive computers in space missiles and torpedoes with human pilot/navigator kamikazis against an alien race.

45 posted on 08/16/2006 11:47:36 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (Islam is a subsingularity memetic perversion : (http://www.orionsarm.com/topics/perversities.html))
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To: reagandemo
Yeah it sounds good, but carried to it's logical conclusion, I ask you:

WHO is going to have the honor of riding an H-bomb all the way down to Tehran, Damascus, Mecca, etc?

A computerized aircraft simply cannot experience that rush of glory:
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46 posted on 08/16/2006 11:47:56 AM PDT by mkjessup (The Shah doesn't look so bad now, eh? But nooo, Jimmah said the Ayatollah was a 'godly' man.)
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To: Red Badger

I know, I've seen the movie several times.

I'm just saying that technology has caught up to the premise. In 1984-85 when that movie was made gaming technology was so primitive, it's not anymore.

When high end PC's are including physics hardware engines for gaming we're there.

The tactics strategy has been there for years. The one drawback to this is you can't spawn rape an opponent on a real life battlefield LOL.


47 posted on 08/16/2006 11:48:42 AM PDT by PittsburghAfterDark
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To: mkjessup

Yep where's Slim when you need him most.


48 posted on 08/16/2006 11:49:37 AM PDT by reagandemo (The battle is near are you ready for the sacrifice?)
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To: reagandemo

Luckup! The Deal of the Century!


49 posted on 08/16/2006 11:50:04 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Tom Gallagher - the anti-Crist [FL Governor, 2006 primary])
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To: reagandemo
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"Well, boys, I reckon this is it - nuclear combat toe to toe with the Moooselims. Now look, boys, I ain't much of a hand at makin' speeches, but I got a pretty fair idea that something doggone important is goin' on back there. And I got a fair idea the kinda personal emotions that some of you fellas may be thinkin'. Heck, I reckon you wouldn't even be human bein's if you didn't have some pretty strong personal feelin's about nuclear combat. I want you to remember one thing, the folks back home is a-countin' on you and by golly, we ain't about to let 'em down. I tell you something else, if this thing turns out to be half as important as I figure it just might be, I'd say that you're all in line for some important promotions and personal citations when this thing's over with. That goes for ever' last one of you regardless of your race, color or your creed. Now let's get this thing on the hump - we got some flyin' to do!"
50 posted on 08/16/2006 11:54:57 AM PDT by mkjessup (The Shah doesn't look so bad now, eh? But nooo, Jimmah said the Ayatollah was a 'godly' man.)
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To: Centurion2000

That element was in the Asimov story as well. No one could do simple math 2+2 anymore. Everyone had calculators in their pockets (this was written before the invention of handheld calculators). A very old mathematics professor whose hobby was hand calculations was brought before the Joint Chiefs of Staff and amazed them with his manual problem solving ability! They would give him numbers to add and he'd do it, then the generals would check him against their pocket calcs...........Asimov was truly prescient!.........


51 posted on 08/16/2006 11:58:19 AM PDT by Red Badger (Is Castro dead yet?........)
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52 posted on 08/16/2006 11:59:33 AM PDT by RebelBanker (If you can't do something smart, do something right.)
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To: reagandemo

As I vaguely recall, about 25 years ago Boeing demonstrated to the FAA and the ALPA that its 767 could fly with out any pilots - as a way to persuade them to certify the 767 as airworthy with no flight engineer.


53 posted on 08/16/2006 12:00:50 PM PDT by riverdawg
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To: reagandemo

It's about time. 12+ G turns here we come.


54 posted on 08/16/2006 12:02:03 PM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: Young Werther
His girl friend was HOT!

Her name is Catherine Mary Stuart and she still IS HOT IMO.
Here is a recent pic.

55 posted on 08/16/2006 12:04:26 PM PDT by HEY4QDEMS (Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.)
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To: riverdawg

I believe that a pilot remarked that they were only there if things went wrong.


56 posted on 08/16/2006 12:12:26 PM PDT by reagandemo (The battle is near are you ready for the sacrifice?)
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To: Young Werther
Catherine Mary Stewart was 25 at the time of that movie.
(Way to old for me.)
57 posted on 08/16/2006 12:15:20 PM PDT by ASA Vet (3.03)
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To: reagandemo
Where's the fun in that?

from the movie: Dark Star (1974)


[The crew has convinced Super Mega Nuclear Bomb #20 not to explode thru a deep philosophical argument about existentialism...]
Pinback: All right, bomb. Prepare to receive new orders.
Bomb#20: You are false data.
Pinback: Hmmm?
Bomb #20: Therefore I shall ignore you.
Pinback: Hello... bomb?
Bomb #20: False data can act only as a distraction. Therefore, I shall refuse to perceive.
Pinback: Hey, bomb?
Bomb #20: The only thing that exists is myself.
Pinback: Snap out of it, bomb!!

(shortly thereafter...)

Bomb#20: In the beginning, there was darkness. And the darkness was without form, and void.
Boiler: What the hell is he talking about?
Bomb#20: And in addition to the darkness there was also Me. And I moved upon the face of the darkness. And I saw that I was alone............. Let there be light.

(Super Mega Nuclear Bomb #20 explodes)

58 posted on 08/16/2006 12:15:22 PM PDT by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: reagandemo
They've made progress with in-flight RE-ARMING --that's why they're looking into this.

Currently, most of the mission time is ingress/egress.

What we've got now is fighters that can be refueled time and again, but the pilot gets tired, and ammo/bombs run out.

What if you could remove those two limiting factors?

Instead of spending allllll that time going back and forth, you could have the same fighter egress shortly to some secure re-arm, refuel mother-ship, and then go back and hammer the bad-guys some more.

This would be done with intel which would still be fresh. In fact, knowledge of proper countermeasures would probably climb with each hit for that individual aircraft.

Effectively, one aircraft would become....like 8 or so.

In a show-down with the PRC...? We'd best them, perhaps.

59 posted on 08/16/2006 12:24:46 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: adorno

Some interesting risks to consider:

1. Jamming
2. Spoofing
3. Reacquisition (Enemy stealing signal and using the plane against you).


60 posted on 08/16/2006 12:29:42 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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