imho,
The unnecessary willful destruction, hindrance and/or degredation of life--especially of essentially defenseless children
is rarely to never justified.
--Personal selfishness of the controlling adult is not an adequate justification, to me.
--Personal arrogance of the controlling adult is not an adequate justification, to me.
--Personal rebellion of the controlling adult is not an adequate justification, to me.
--So called personal freedoms of the controlling adult are not an adequate justification to me. This same group of controlling adults pontificate ad naseum and loudly about how they are free to do anything as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else . . . they even tend to give lip service to the notion that person "A's" freedoms stop at person "B's" nose. EXCEPT when it comes to smoking.
Hypocrisy is such a brazen, glaring thing, sometimes.
We are discussing the role of the state; how much intervention is necessary and justified?