Delphi User said, "It is a theory based on facts water can be steam, or ice, not both at once.
There are facts like Fossils, they exist, there are theory’s about the fossils, how old, how they lived, what they looked like… some things we will never know for sure unless we can literally see the past. Evolution is a theory, based on facts most religions are philosophies of men, backed up by scripture."
False analogy. Evolution is a theory in that it explains the diversity of life and the relation of all to each other. It is also a fact in that there is the well-supported observation of evolution, both directly and indirectly.
Sure, there are some things we may never know. The fossil record is necessarily incomplete. I don't understand this sentence though: "Evolution is a theory, based on facts most religions are philosophies of men, backed up by scripture." I know it's English but I haven't clue what you just said.
Delphi User said, "First, I challenge you to show me a single instance of observed “speciation” http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/speciation Evolution within a species is not speciation, show us something that has evolved to the point there it is not genetically compatible with its grandmother."
Simple: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-speciation.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/speciation.html
"I disagree, there is the Law of gravity (independently verified by apple growers world wide) and theories about strength, cause, and even refinements of the mathematical formula used to describe gravity, but that there is gravity is not doubted as it is repeatable, constant, and measurable."
You realize that the Law is a mathematical description of the tendency for objects will mass to accelerate towards each other, and that the theory is an explanation of that phenomenon - right?
"Evolution is neither repeatable, constant, nor measurable by us mere mortals." Hardly. It's repeatable in experiments and continually occurs. What do you mean precisely by "measurable?" Are you referring to rates of evolution or what?
"'I can’t imagine a better…' has been uttered by provincial self proclaimed illuminati for generations, then someone comes along with a better idea, and they can’t imagine that there could be a better idea than the current 'best' idea."
Certainly. After all, all theories are tentative and are subject to change. Perhaps it would be more accurate to say that evolution is the best explanation according to current data. Therein lies the problem of creationism/ID ignoring the evidence.
"Really, when did that happen? I must have missed the proof that turned a highly speculative, and tenuous theory into a law; please post links the scientific paper(s) that prove The Theory of Evolution, along with filling in all the gaps in the Fossil record, and the explanation on how sentience cam about."
Proof is non-existent in science though.
You know what's funny? I searched PubMed for articles relating to vertebrate evolution alone. You know how many hits I found? 108,159 papers. That's right; nearly 108,000 papers on only vertebrate evolution alone. You don't have to listen to me, search for it yourself: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?CMD=search&DB=pubmed
No scientific papers showing evidence for evolution? Really?
There are of course some small compilations of the evidence, one of the most readable of which is:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/
You stated that "I must have missed the proof that turned a highly speculative, and tenuous theory into a law." You know that theories are not highly speculative (if anything, that would be hypotheses) and theories never become laws. Things can be simultaneously laws and theories - ergo, gravitation.
However, theories are the goals of science - explaining the observations.
Delphi User Said: Evolution is a theory, based on facts most religions are philosophies of men, backed up by scripture.
Dante Alighieri replied: It is also a fact in that there is the well-supported observation of evolution, both directly and indirectly.
You mean we’re here, so we evolved? I hope it’s not that simplistic for you.
Dante Alighieri replied: I don't understand this sentence though: "Evolution is a theory, based on facts most religions are philosophies of men, backed up by scripture." I know it's English but I haven't clue what you just said.
Evolution, much like a religion is a theory backed up by facts. Evolution is not a fact, because we can’t prove or disprove that we evolved from goo in the sea.
Delphi User said, 'First, I challenge you to show me a single instance of observed “speciation” http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/speciation Evolution within a species is not speciation, show us something that has evolved to the point there it is not genetically compatible with its grandmother.'
Dante Alighieri replied: Simple: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-speciation.html
I went, I read, What a pant load!
This is an example of the 'Stuff' on this site.
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5.1.1.4 Raphanobrassica
The Russian cytologist Karpchenko (1927, 1928) crossed the radish, Raphanus sativus, with the cabbage, Brassica oleracea. Despite the fact that the plants were in different genera, he got a sterile hybrid. Some unreduced gametes were formed in the hybrids. This allowed for the production of seed. Plants grown from the seeds were interfertile with each other. They were not interfertile with either parental species. Unfortunately the new plant (genus Raphanobrassica) had the foliage of a radish and the root of a cabbage.
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Cross breeding in Laboratory is not Evolution being observed in nature.
I did not read the whole site, I got bored over the repetitive “Experiments” which would produce sterile results, or breed back into the original species being presented as 'Proof it happened in nature' and stuck.
Nice try.
Dante Alighieri Said: You realize that the Law is a mathematical description of the tendency for objects will mass to accelerate towards each other, and that the theory is an explanation of that phenomenon - right?
Yes, I am the one who pointed out that Laws exist, theorys are creted to try to explain them. Your problem is that you have stated there is enough evidence to “Prove” evolution right. Good Luck.
Dante Alighieri Said: What do you mean precisely by "measurable?" Are you referring to rates of evolution or what?
If I drop a ball off of a building, and I know the exact height of the building, I can predict how long it will take the ball to reach the ground. IF Evolution were predictable we should be able to figure out where and when the next species will appear, and get photos.
Instead, we get “Well you have this fossil, then a miracle happens and 1.23460983 million years later we get this fossil that looks completely different, because this guy on the other side of the world evolved from the first guy, and… hey, why are you laughing back there, don’t you know this is irrefutable?”
Sorry, I couldn’t even fake this fakery seriously (Grin)
Dante Alighieri Said: Proof is non-existent in science though.
Proof: The evidence or argument that compels the mind to accept an assertion as true. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/proofs
Most science have proof, atomic science has proof, math has proof, quantum physics has proof (Those are formulas that allow them to predict what will happen next to the last decimal place the instruments are good for (That is why Einstein was able to correct Newton, better instruments)
I don’t care what searches you did or will do, they are all papers on people trying to prove what you just said was un-provable, and for evolution, for now it is un-provable.
Dante Alighieri Said: Things can be simultaneously laws and theories - ergo, gravitation.
Here we go again, gravity is a LAW, and there are many THEORIES about it. Just because you have a theory about a law does not make your theory law nor does the reverse happen.
Things do not go both ways in reality, bicycles rust, rust never turns into bicycles.
Dante Alighieri Said: However, theories are the goals of science - explaining the observations.
Proof is the goal of science, something you have dismissed as impossible.
“Scientists dream great dreams, Engineers accomplish them.” – James Mitchners Space.
You sir are a true scientist.