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Criticism Of Evolution Can't Be Silenced
Eagle Forum ^ | August 16, 2006 | Mrs. Schlafly

Posted on 08/15/2006 10:11:10 PM PDT by jla

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To: GoodWithBarbarians JustForKaos

A-ha! Already did. I fail to see how a pro-GW-exists piece assumes that all opposing views are blocked.


181 posted on 08/16/2006 3:03:54 PM PDT by RippyO
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To: RippyO

You couldn't see any cherry-picking and manipulation of facts and data, in Gore's fakumentary? Or BS statements like: "All scientists now believe..." and "There is a consensus..." These terms are used when something has not been proven to mislead the masses. More than a few years ago, they probably said, "A consensus of scientists now believe the Sun orbits around earth." As if it's absolute fact and can not be questioned.


182 posted on 08/16/2006 3:38:24 PM PDT by GoodWithBarbarians JustForKaos (LIBS = Lewd Insane Babbling Scum)
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To: DelphiUser
You misunderstand - evolution is both a theory and a fact. How so? The theory explains the diversity of life and its relation to each other; then there's the fact - there is so much evidence for evolution and considering observed speciation, it's laughable to deny it. It's equivalent to sticking your fingers in your ears, shutting your eyes, and shouting, "I CAN'T HEAR YOU!" In the same manner, there is the fact, law, and theory of gravitation. The theory explains the tendency for objects with mass to accelerate to each other, the law (Gx(m1m2/r^2)) describes the tendency, and the fact is the universal observation of the tendency. Newton was wrong; it's as simple as that. The only problem was, his Laws were approximately correct at speeds less than 0.1c. Evolution is constantly refined. What's your point? As for competing theories however, there isn't any evidence that really supports anything else. Lamarckian evolution's gone, spontaneous generation's gone, along with everything else. They couldn't withstand the scientific scrutiny, but evolution did. Albert wasn't a theist, in the sense of a personal God - he was a scientific pantheist. Ever heard of physicists and their "God" talk?
183 posted on 08/16/2006 4:01:47 PM PDT by Dante Alighieri
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To: DelphiUser

Things can be both a theory and a fact. Gravity is both a theory, law, and fact. There is germ theory and the fact of germs. There is atomic theory and the fact of atoms. There is evolutionary theory and there is the fact of evolution.

Perhaps, science classes should not only time teaching the results of scientific research, but also spend a significant amount of time teaching the philosophy of science. (In any case anyone's wondering and accuses me of plagiarism, that's from my account on YouTube)


184 posted on 08/16/2006 4:04:58 PM PDT by Dante Alighieri
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To: MarDav

It's based on faith but faith doesn't belong in the classroom, science does. Faith is not provable neither yours nor mine. Creation has no evidence, none. Men did not appear when God blew spittle at a dirt pile anymore than women grew out of a rib.

If I have denigrated people of faith here they deserved the slap in the face for forcing their faith onto those who would rather teach reality. If they are insulted that man isn't made from a pile of mud and that the Earth is older than 6000 years then they need to wake up and join reality and quit acting like the mullahs in Iran and forcing their atavistic nonsense on the rest of us.


185 posted on 08/16/2006 4:06:11 PM PDT by Sentis
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To: Dante Alighieri

Has there really been observed speciation? I think that would be even more significant than piltdown man (at least when it was thought not to be a hoax). I mean no disrespect by mentioning piltdown man. I only mean that, if it had been genuine, it would have solved a lot of problems. I would think that a genuine example of true speciation would pretty much shut a lot of non-evolutionists up. Why are these examples not being shouted from the housetops? I know of none.


186 posted on 08/16/2006 4:08:49 PM PDT by RobRoy (Islam is more dangerous to the world now that Naziism was in 1937.)
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To: RobRoy

Speciation has indeed been observed:

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-speciation.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/speciation.html


187 posted on 08/16/2006 4:17:37 PM PDT by Dante Alighieri
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To: RobRoy

Why not just type observed speciation into a search engine sometime. Thats close enough for shouting.


188 posted on 08/16/2006 4:20:08 PM PDT by Sentis
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To: RobRoy
I would think that a genuine example of true speciation would pretty much shut a lot of non-evolutionists up. Why are these examples not being shouted from the housetops? I know of none.

Primarily because actual speciation doesn't correspond to the Hollywood image. No special powers; not dramatic change in form; no fish to squirrel in one step.

The most dramatic examples of speciation being observed are ring species. There are examples of birds whose territories circle the globe. Each individual can mate with the individuals to its immediate East and West, but there is a distance, like the international date line, at which differentiation prevents interbreeding. Perhaps the non-mating individuals just don't approve of their cousin's tail-feather color; but whatever, they don't mate when they have the opportunity.

This is the way speciation actually works. Nothing dramatic or consistant with Hollywood. It's slow and boring. Nothing to shout from the rooftops.

189 posted on 08/16/2006 4:29:28 PM PDT by js1138 (Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!")
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To: Labyrinthos; jla
Notably absent from her "resume" is any reference to academic achievement or professional experience in the areas of biology, physics, chemistry, geology, mathematics, or any other real science.

Master's in Political Science. That's sorta science inn't it?

190 posted on 08/16/2006 4:48:01 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy ("he is a barbarian, and thinks that the customs of his tribe and island are the laws of nature.")
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To: Senator Bedfellow
So we should listen to her opinion on whether the critiques are good science or not, or whether they belong in science class or not, because....?

Her "feelings" tell her Evolution is wrong, and she doesn't want it, and noöne else should either.

191 posted on 08/16/2006 4:59:54 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Phillis Schlafly is a whiny "liberal":. Who knew?)
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To: Oberon
re are current observations of speciation.
In what species?

You only had to ask

Try Google: "ring species" salamander

192 posted on 08/16/2006 5:06:54 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Here to help)
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To: wyattearp
Schlafly is a whiner

It is my understanding they prefer to be called "political activists"

193 posted on 08/16/2006 5:16:07 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Here to help)
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To: Oztrich Boy
Master's in Political Science. That's sorta science inn't it?

Simple concepts made difficult by people who have far too much time on their hands.

194 posted on 08/16/2006 5:58:02 PM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: taxesareforever
Then why do you use liberal responses? Sheesh.

Name one, punk.

195 posted on 08/16/2006 6:06:49 PM PDT by wyattearp (Study! Study! Study! Or BONK, BONK, on the head!)
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To: DelphiUser
Must be my eyes, looks like it to me, gotta get some rose colored glasses, that’ll fix it!

Glasses wont help you. Your problem is what you are using to process the information.

196 posted on 08/16/2006 6:07:48 PM PDT by wyattearp (Study! Study! Study! Or BONK, BONK, on the head!)
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To: Oztrich Boy
Her "feelings" tell her Evolution is wrong, and she doesn't want it, and noöne else should either.

It would be nice if they were that concise for once.

197 posted on 08/16/2006 6:12:42 PM PDT by Senator Bedfellow (If you're not sure, it was probably sarcasm.)
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To: RobRoy
What "science" does your kid know (as opposed to "believe) more than Ann?

Biology. Ann spent a third of her new book making a fool of herself. Even high school kids are laughing at her ignorance of the biological sciences. (and it's not my kid, by the way).

Post 11 was pure ad-himinem.

You shouldn't use big words that you can't understand. Heck, you can't even spell it. An ad-hominem attack would have been if I was attacking taxesareforever on a personal level in post 11. I didn't. What I did do is make observations regarding the people that he was quoting. The ad-hominem attack was in taxesareforever's (and the usual cheerleaders) response to me.

Schlafly is a whiner. Her book "Safe, not Sorry" is a total "poor, poor me" whining rant about her not getting her way at a convention. It also contains a lot of man-hating feminism. I lost all respect for her after reading it.

198 posted on 08/16/2006 6:17:09 PM PDT by wyattearp (Study! Study! Study! Or BONK, BONK, on the head!)
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To: wyattearp

Your support of the theory of evolution? (By the way, I don't think think evolution is really a liberal idea; heck, the plaintiffs in Kitzmiller v. Dover were conservatives, and the judge was a conservative recommended by Rick Santorum!)


199 posted on 08/16/2006 6:18:17 PM PDT by Dante Alighieri
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To: Sentis

You sort of ducked my question. You say you believe in some sort of god. Then you say that this is based on faith. Faith in what? What is it that leads you to place your faith in whatever God you believe in? It sounds like you are merely hedging your bets and covering the "god angle" just in case...Don't mean to come off as disrespectful or smug (sorry if that's how I'm sounding). It's just that your answers are very curious.


200 posted on 08/16/2006 6:30:11 PM PDT by MarDav
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