[Gorjus]

There is no such thing as Dark Matter or Dark Energy..

Any particular reason for this assertion? You just don't like science you don't understand? Or do you also say there are no such things as electrons and protons? (You can't really 'see' them either.)

[tomzz]

"Dark matter" is a necessary piece of baggage involved in trying to go on believing that the universe is mainly held together by gravity. In real life, the universe is mainly held together by electrical and electromagnetic forces.

[true_blue_texican]

You just don't like science you don't understand?

There is NO science involved here. Dark Matter is a mathematical conjecture to "attempt" to make up for the fact that observations (which is the PRIMARY tool of science) do NOT jive with the Big Bang Theory in ANY of the predictive models of the BB.

And, yes, I believe in protons and electrons because you can observe electrons and protons even if you can't see them.

I also deny the existence of Black Holes. Once again, they are ONLY a mathematical conjecture. The irony is that the assumption that BB is true and that BH's are possible, leads to the conclusion that the ENTIRE universe IS a black hole!! Which it is not. Of course, then you got Stephen Hawking claiming that the universe is a web of quantum-sized universes that exist inside their own BH's of universes.... It is MORE arcane that Ptolemy's epicycles. No, I have no problem with science. But Math ain't science! And a lot of Mathematicians/Cosmologists think it is, in fact, some of them worship it as a religion ala Pythagorean Mysticism.