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To: RexBeach

I wasn't going to write this but with everything going on I feel a need to say this. Granted it might not go over to well but, hey.

Barbarism has been in the Arab culture for thousands of years. Whether right or wrong, it is their culture. The Saudis are right in a way. There is a major disconnect in cultures, fueled by Marxism's use of Arab barbarism as a way to further their political agenda.

The West, as a Judeo/Christian culture are more civilized. However, if you look back to 14th and 15th century europe, the Christians were also not exactly immune from barbarism in the name of the Church. Between forced conversions and the Arab worlds view of the crusades as Christian barbarism, the Arab culture is still based on 7th century teachings.

Now you take immigration. Millions of Muslims who still believe in this immigrate to other nations. Instead of acclimating, they still harbor their hatred and keep their beliefs that are based on barbarism within a community. Toss in muzzy leaders who have the cult mentality, preach hatred and can get people listening and you have what you have today.

Then throw in ideologies that promote their own agendas such as the Communists. They use this Arab culture to further erode Democracy. By controlling education and the media, the communists make it out to be the problem of Judeo/Christian values and that we need to be more tolerant of the Muzzy culture, which they refuse to tell us is about barbarism, hatred and revenge.

They ask us to accept Islam as a religion of peace which for the most part it is. Remember., Christianity is a religion of peace although Torquemada and the clergy in europe in the 14th and 15th centuries may have taken it a bit too far.

Civilization is not only about us. There are religions and ideologies throughout this world that oppose what we stand for and unlike us, they are hellbent on destroying us. Problem is we are too naive to think that by singing Kumbaya and accepting this that the killing in the name of hatred of our Judeo/Christian beliefs will stop.

It won't. It never will. All that can happen is we we address it for what it is and do what is necessary to minimize the carnage. Because it is either that or destroy these religions and ideologies to preserve Western civilization, which is something we will not do.

Our President understands this. Tony Blair understands this. Nations that have already been overrun with this culture like France will never understand because they still harbor the belief that the crocodile will eat them last. Problem is the croc already ate them and is in the process of digesting them.

Anyway, sorry if I offended anyone. This was not intended to belittle Christianity or Judaeism. It was only meant to present a different view of what is going on in the world from someone who stays up at night wondering how this will end.



12 posted on 08/15/2006 6:45:35 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Kill all the lawyers? No, kill all the politicans.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

In May of 1962, the Saudis, Lebanese and Jordanians beatified Adoplh Eichman as a Martyr. So to be more accurate, let's call the Islamic Nazis.


13 posted on 08/15/2006 6:47:55 AM PDT by massgopguy (massgopguy)
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To: EQAndyBuzz
Then throw in ideologies that promote their own agendas such as the Communists. They use this Arab culture to further erode Democracy.

Communism need not erode Democracy to bury the West ala Kruschev. They are not mutually exclusive.

I see a trend of the American Socialist Democrats, Kelo Imminent Domain, IRS taxing, ----even Neal Boortz's worn out complaint about childrens school supplies being pooled on the first day of class, "from each according to ability, to each according to need."

Communisim is winning in our society today as capitalism (Walmart, Exxon, Halliburton) is villified.

There is nothing in the Constitution to prevent Communism from being peacefully voted into the USA.

16 posted on 08/15/2006 6:58:42 AM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: EQAndyBuzz
"Our President understands this. Tony Blair understands this. Nations that have already been overrun with this culture like France will never understand because they still harbor the belief that the crocodile will eat them last. Problem is the croc already ate them and is in the process of digesting them.

I was agreeing with most of what you wrote until this.

Unfortunately, you err when you suggest that W and Tony "understands this."

Perhaps they do understand and are simply unwilling to admit the dangers posed by allowing the preaching of hate and discontent within their borders--which include here in the US.

There is no doubt that Judeo Christians in the past have been responsible for committing numerous atrocities in the name of their religions.

However, I dare say, that you won't find any Christian religion today, which advocates the death of their members for not adhering (or converting from) to their tenets, or preaches that their religion is the ONLY religion and all others in the World, must either convert and adhere, or be enslaved or worst, put to death--which is exactly what the Islamofacist decree.

18 posted on 08/15/2006 7:01:09 AM PDT by seasoned traditionalist (ALL MUSLIMS ARE NOT TERRORISTS, BUT ALL TERRORISTS WHO WANT TO DESTROY OUR COUNTRY, ARE MUSLIMS)
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To: EQAndyBuzz
"Our President understands this.."

No he does not. If he did he would stop all student / tourist visas from Muslim countries. When 2000-3000 people slip across our "virtual borders" each week unaccounted for that shows me that GWB does not "get it" at all. How many of these are Islamists is anyones guess.
22 posted on 08/15/2006 7:13:53 AM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: EQAndyBuzz
The West, as a Judeo/Christian culture are more civilized. However, if you look back to 14th and 15th century europe, the Christians were also not exactly immune from barbarism in the name of the Church. Between forced conversions and the Arab worlds view of the crusades as Christian barbarism, the Arab culture is still based on 7th century teachings.

You lost me right here.
Your need to include this gratuitous PC pap cancels out any further thought on your part that is of any use to me.

Comparing Mass Murder today with whatever might have happened in 14th and 15th Century Europe displays such a poverty of thought, that no further reading is necessary.

28 posted on 08/15/2006 7:37:57 AM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

There is a big difference. At least both Judism and Christianity are both credited with having reform movements.


52 posted on 08/15/2006 11:59:46 AM PDT by Biggirl (A biggirl with a big heart for God's animal creation.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz; All
The following is a response to the following paragraph of yours in the ref'd post. The response to it is written by my former Muslim-descendant-of-Muhammed friend who lived with me in Asia for over a year and who had become a Christian. I'm hoping he will let me post a great paper he wrote.

The West, as a Judeo/Christian culture are more civilized. However, if you look back to 14th and 15th century europe, the Christians were also not exactly immune from barbarism in the name of the Church. Between forced conversions and the Arab worlds view of the crusades as Christian barbarism, the Arab culture is still based on 7th century teachings.

This is VERY WRONG.

Crussaders took their warring methods from the Muslims, who invaded parts of Europe. Muslims have no excuse to use the crussaders as a case Christians. The fact is, they are their masters. Every horrible practice the crussaders used, came from the Muslims.

Whenever a Muslim mentions to you the Crussaders, remind them of the fact that if they never invaded Christian lands, the Crussades would have never existed and Christians would have never become barbarics like the muslims. They did so, after they were fed up with all the abuse they suffered in the hand of the Muslim invadors.

Muslims are [SHOULD BE] the very last to complain about the Crussaders. I am so thankful that the crussaders emerged. I believe the Lord used them to stop the spread of Islam. Otherwise, Europ would have been Islamic states already and purhaps we would have remained in the dark ages until now.

I'm keenly interested in your comments.

54 posted on 08/16/2006 8:24:29 AM PDT by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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