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State bill would allow killing in self-defense [Pennsylvania]
Pittsburgh Post Gazette ^ | August 14, 2006

Posted on 08/14/2006 5:01:06 PM PDT by grundle

HARRISBURG -- State lawmakers are considering a bill that would permit people to stand their ground -- and even use deadly force -- to defend themselves when threatened or endangered.

Current law states that when people are attacked or threatened in public, their responsibility is to retreat.

But retreating "could get you shot or stabbed in the back," said state Rep. Steven Cappelli, R-Lycoming.

Mr. Cappelli has sponsored a bill that would allow people who are licensed to carry concealed guns to use those weapons if they are threatened with death, serious bodily injury, kidnapping or rape.

Since October, 10 states have passed similar bills, known by supporters as "stand-your-ground laws" and backed by the National Rifle Association. Florida was the first, and Michigan was the most recent.

Opponents of the bill call it a "shoot now, ask questions later" law.

Zach Ragbourn, a spokesman for the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence, said the proposal could enable murderers to claim self-defense and get lighter sentences.

But Mr. Cappelli said his bill wouldn't provide criminals with a defense because only people with concealed weapons permits -- who have gone through criminal background checks -- would be allowed to shoot in self-defense.

(Excerpt) Read more at post-gazette.com ...


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1 posted on 08/14/2006 5:01:07 PM PDT by grundle
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To: grundle

Allow? That's a given. I'll protect myself, my family, and my possessions. If the law doesn't like it, tough. I'll sue them for not being there.


2 posted on 08/14/2006 5:02:39 PM PDT by irishtenor (We survived Clinton in the 80s... we can survive her even when her husband is gone.)
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To: grundle

related story:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1683617/posts


3 posted on 08/14/2006 5:03:30 PM PDT by xcamel (Press to Test, Release to Detonate)
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To: grundle

What does Scottish law have to say about this?


4 posted on 08/14/2006 5:03:41 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: grundle
Current law states that when people are attacked or threatened in public, their responsibility is to retreat.

You can't defend yourself now? Unbelievable.

5 posted on 08/14/2006 5:05:14 PM PDT by Samwise (All that is needed for evil to triumph is that good men do nothing.)
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To: Paleo Conservative
What does Scottish law have to say about this?

Have to check with justice Anthony M. Kennedy.

6 posted on 08/14/2006 5:07:17 PM PDT by dancusa (For liberals there is no end to their rights and no beginning to their responsibilities.)
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To: grundle
State lawmakers are considering a bill that would permit people to stand their ground -- and even use deadly force -- to defend themselves when threatened or endangered.

Outrageous! It is a Liberal's responsibility to stand in one place, unarmed, and be murdered!

7 posted on 08/14/2006 5:07:18 PM PDT by pabianice
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To: freepatriot32

Sad there even needs to be a law ALLOWING people to defend themselves. Especially when all the police are good for is to show up after the fact to take pictures and clean up the mess.


8 posted on 08/14/2006 5:08:31 PM PDT by KoRn
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To: grundle

It is a given.

THIS IS TRUE TORT REFORM.

This is opposed by the plaintiff's bar because it removes the ability of lawyers and anti-gun groups to do "slap suits" to scare people from protecting themselves.


9 posted on 08/14/2006 5:09:01 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: grundle

Astonished bump.


10 posted on 08/14/2006 5:09:18 PM PDT by BenLurkin ("The entire remedy is with the people." - W. H. Harrison)
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To: grundle
I have a pistol, a shovel and intimate knowledge of the national forests around here.

I don't need any new laws to protect my family and home.
11 posted on 08/14/2006 5:11:40 PM PDT by Dr.Zoidberg (Mohammedism - Bringing you only the best of the 6th century for fourteen hundred years.)
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To: grundle

Move to Texas. But NOT EVERYBODY AT ONCE!

:-)


12 posted on 08/14/2006 5:11:57 PM PDT by SerpentDove (I heard they're implanting chips in the tinfoil now.)
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To: Owl_Eagle; brityank; Physicist; WhyisaTexasgirlinPA; GOPJ; abner; baseballmom; Mo1; Ciexyz; ...

ping


13 posted on 08/14/2006 5:12:15 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: grundle

What about "proportionate response"? ;~)


14 posted on 08/14/2006 5:13:12 PM PDT by cripplecreek (If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?)
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To: grundle
State lawmakers are considering a bill that would permit people to stand their ground -- and even use deadly force -- to defend themselves when threatened or endangered.

Wasn't this covered a couple of hundred years ago?

15 posted on 08/14/2006 5:15:52 PM PDT by Recovering Hermit (Apparently, most who protest for peace do so at the expense of hygiene.)
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To: grundle

Which would you rather do? Consult a lawyer or have your family consult a funeral director?


16 posted on 08/14/2006 5:17:32 PM PDT by Tall_Texan (I wish a political party would come along that thinks like I do.)
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To: grundle

State lawmakers are considering a bill that would permit people to stand their ground -- and even use deadly force -- to defend themselves when threatened or endangered.

Current law states that when people are attacked or threatened in public, their responsibility is to retreat.


wait, wait, i think they're talking only about philadelphia
/s


17 posted on 08/14/2006 5:20:29 PM PDT by ronnied (we are the only animals that bare our teeth in greeting...)
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To: dancusa; Paleo Conservative

Better consult US Sen Arlie Sphincter (LIBERAL-PA), for a ruling on that crap.


18 posted on 08/14/2006 5:23:07 PM PDT by butternut_squash_bisque (The recipe's at my FR HomePage. Try it!)
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To: Dr.Zoidberg

*SSS*, isn't it?


19 posted on 08/14/2006 5:26:56 PM PDT by butternut_squash_bisque (The recipe's at my FR HomePage. Try it!)
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To: Tall_Texan

Better to have it and not need it, than to not have it and need it.


20 posted on 08/14/2006 5:28:10 PM PDT by butternut_squash_bisque (The recipe's at my FR HomePage. Try it!)
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