Shoot First — No Questions Asked (mega barf alert!)

NY Times' Terrorist Tip Sheet ^ | August 14, 2006 | Meathead Editorial

[Killborn]

Thanks. I like all kinds of guns but the ones I really have an affinity for are the Western ones, especailly the good old USA. Despite performance problems, as the workhorse of the US military, I always admired the Armalite class of rifles. HEckler and Koch is another favorite especailly the MPs. Not to knock Russian and Israeli engineering, their AKs and Galils also does the trick well, respectively.

[Killborn]

Gracias. That's one of the reasons I love FR. So many experts. Lost counts of how many times I read an article and thought to myself "Alright, what do the experts think?"

:)

[Blue Jays]

Hi Roccus-

If you're considering a .38 Special you might as well purchase a .357 Magnum and have the flexibility to use either cartridge. Use the revolver only if you don't have the time to summon the shotgun to duty or if you're using it to answer an unexpected knock at the front door.

To keep this thread on point, the author of the story is a Nervous Nellie attempting to offer solutions for a problem that doesn't exist. The residents of states like Florida have shown remarkable restraint in their use of deadly force. He is lying in an attempt to "make" a story.

~ Blue Jays ~

[Cobra64]

If you like guns, why don't you have any?

[Navy Patriot]

They did however miss the little part about how every single fatal defense shooting by an armed citizen defending their property in FL ended in the termination of a career criminal.

Oh, they didn't MISS it, they just deliberately didn't pass the fact on.

Rush always points out how the MSM always reports only what fits the (fabricated) action line, no contradicting facts are published.

[Blue Jays]

Hi Cobra64-

Killborn is still a student and doesn't quite have the budget for firearms right now. There is more detail in the rest of the thread.

~ Blue Jays ~

[Cobra64]

I've been thinking of a .38 snub nosed revolver

For the same amount of money, you can get a .357 which can shoot both .38 and .357. This way you always have the option of shooting a hotter load. Personally, I like a 4" bbl for more accuracy and increased velocity. A wheel gun is a great choice for supreme reliability.

[Roccus]

I was up past 2AM trying to find a pic for you. YOU OWE ME!! (in my best George C. Scott voice.) No luck. As I said, it was a long time ago. The best I could do was determine that it was a Stevens/Savage Model 52 or 52-A. One was a close-cock (the firing pin would cock as the bolt was closed) the other, you had to cock it after the bolt was closed by pulling back a knob on the back of the bolt. This is the one I had. It was a take down in that a single screw under the stock forward of the trigger guard would separate the iron from the wood.
I pinged Squantos in hopes he could help. He is my go-to guy and guru in all things that go BANG!
Good luck.

[Roccus]

Thanks for the info and my apologies to neverdem for hijacking the thread.

[Roccus]

Thanks. This would be for in house defense only, so distance would be 25' or less. Anything outside, it's the 12ga semi, salt in the chamber and alternating shot and pumpkinball afterward. :)

[Cobra64]

Great recipe. I've never been a scatter gun advocate for inside home use. Too awkward for close up requirements. Mine are stricly for field work. Two .357s, a 9, and a .380 for indoor requirements.

[Blue Jays]

Hi Roccus-

Sounds like a plan...hopefully you were just kidding about the salt loads. The sole disadvantage (if you want to call it that) for a smaller .38 Special compared to a beefier .357 Magnum is the size and portability. The .357 will be built heavier and stronger to handle the hotter loads. The flexibility it offers is more than worth the extra steel you'll have to carry around on your hip.

~ Blue Jays ~

[Killborn]

See # 20. Also, it's only been quite recent that I have decided I want to own a gun and I didn't exactly grew up in a gun environment. Out of my entire family no one owns a firearm or considers it.

Hopefully this situation won't last too long. But I still have other means to defend myself.

[Killborn]

Thank you. I'm trying to look for a pic now that I got the name. No luck so far.

[Shooter 2.5]

http://www.iguanasoft.com/~jeffersonian/m52.html

[Killborn]

Nice. Do you own one too?

[Shooter 2.5]

I don't own own one. I do remember firing a .22 similar to the one you're writing about in Boy Scouts. After the bolt was closed, a knob on the back of the bolt had to be pulled back to cock it.
I had a Stevens "Visible Loader" that my Brother in Law gave me. I returned it after their boys became older. I should have kept it a couple more years because it "disappeared".

[Roccus]

No, I wasn't kidding. I'm curious as to why you think that way. My thinking is that I want a non-leathal shot at the ready. Since it's a semi, the serious loads are just a squeeze away. I'm not a reloader, but I sealed the top of the shell with a touch of parrafin aqnd then a spray paint sealer so the wax wouldn't gum things up. Also, that shell is only a target load. All my guns are inspected and oiled monthly.

[Killborn]

What do you own now?

[Shooter 2.5]

Harrington & Richardson M12
http://www.odcmp.com/Services/Rifles/caliber22.htm