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'Fascistic' Is The Right Word For Islamic Fundamentalism
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 8-14-2006 | Janet Daley

Posted on 08/14/2006 3:17:24 PM PDT by blam

'Fascistic' is the right word for Islamic fundamentalism

By Janet Daley

(Filed: 14/08/2006)

The anti-war-on-terror lobby has had a bad week. Not that it hasn't kept its end up. Oh no. Faced with a threat so devastating that it seemed more like a world-domination plot from a Superman comic than a hard-headed act of war, there was nothing for it but to fall back on semantics.

George W. Bush was pilloried for referring to "Islamic fascists" by, among others, the Archbishop of York, Dr John Sentamu. Using that kind of language "on the ranch in Texas" did not help, he said, to make society "a good, neighbourly place".

I don't know what the ranch in Texas has to do with anything, but Dr Sentamu seems not to understand the difference between describing Islamic fundamentalists as fascistic, and saying that all Muslims are fascists.

Similar confusion seemed to prevail in much of the broadcast media. I heard one television interviewer ask a Muslim spokesperson if he thought that Mr Bush's "name-calling" had any point.

Name-calling? This makes it sound as if he had said: "Al-Qa'eda are a bunch of big fat poops."

The word "fascism" means an extreme totalitarian system that suppresses human rights and democratic freedoms.

Islamic fundamentalism is fascistic in the precise, technical sense of the word.

The war-on-reality brigade took aim at Tony Blair's "arc of extremism" phrase, too: it was simplistic and misleading to claim that all Muslim terrorists, from the Chechens to Iraqi Sunnis and Kashmiris, were somehow linked in one wicked confederacy.

And yet many of those same sceptical sophisticates who wished to distinguish so carefully between the various Islamic discontents would also claim that the answer to all our problems was to solve the Palestinian problem (and thus withdraw our support for Israel), which is certainly of little relevance to the anger of Kashmiri separatists with whom most British Muslim suspects identify.

Al-Qa'eda began talking about the Palestinian question after 9/11, only when it found itself having to give a plausible public account of its motives.

Until then, it was frank about its actual goal, which is to re-establish the Caliphate over the historic Islamic empire.

So maybe those who wish to conciliate this movement, who believe that it can be negotiated with in some rational way, would like to tell us where they would begin making concessions.

Would they like to explain to the citizens of Turkey that they may have to sacrifice their secular democracy and be ruled again by the theocracy from which they had broken free?

Or perhaps they could persuade the residents of Spain that, since Islam would like to rule the Alhambra once again, they must, in the interests of meeting al-Qa'eda halfway, consider sacrificing this region.

Next, perhaps, would be the recognition of sharia law in Muslim-dominated regions of Britain and France.

No wonder the liberals are in disarray. What we are up against is quite outside the limits of our rational political discourse.

This enemy does not even bother to offer explanations for its actions that fall within the acceptable bounds of Western debate: it is overtly racist, explicitly imperialistic and unapologetically inhumane.

So it is left to the media to make the apologias. First, the home-grown terrorist threat was the fault of racist Britain for denying opportunity and educational advancement to Muslim youth.

Then it turned out that most of those involved in the propagation of terrorism were middle-class and university-educated.

At least two of the suspects arrested in the latest alleged plot are converts to Islam: they cannot be said to have suffered a lifetime of embittering discrimination for their newly embraced faith.

This phenomenon is more reminiscent of Baader-Meinhoff than of the intifada - a fanatical cult of rebellious malcontents who are "alienated" (the word of the moment) by the actions of their government and the mores of their country.

This pernicious nonsense is treated by the BBC as if it were the height of reasonableness.

When a committee of Muslim spokesmen announces that, while it condemns violence etc, it nevertheless finds it somehow understandable that Muslim youth should be so "alienated" by the Government's foreign policy that they become willing recruits to a murderous lunatic sect, their statement is described as a bid for peace rather than a blatant piece of blackmail.

What exactly does it mean, this message of "peace": that you can only be safe if we get the foreign policy we want - otherwise some of us may feel justified in blowing you out of the sky?

That is what most of the broadcast vox pops on the British Muslim street seem to imply. Is this what the majority of the Muslim community really wants said in its name?

I find it hard to believe that the gentle, devoted Muslim families who I know feel this way. But perhaps the BBC believes that it is helping race relations in Britain by pointing a microphone at every young male hothead on the streets of Walthamstow and Birmingham, without bothering to ask who he speaks for, how many people he represents, whether even his parents agree with him.

Or by "balancing" every discussion with an equal number of Muslim moderates and extremists, implying that their numbers within the community are the same.

The trouble with the more benign elements among the Islamic community is that they are peculiarly diffident, especially if they are elderly or female - which makes the media's over-reliance on self-appointed "spokesmen" especially dangerous.

Whose considered judgment is it that the broadcast (unlike the print) media should cringe in the face of extremist Islam?

Where is the famously aggressive examination of Today when it is faced with a rant against America and Britain for "attacking Islam all over the world" (even though Britain and America went to war in Bosnia to defend Muslims)?

In the US, Democratic senator Joseph Lieberman, who supported the Bush foreign policy, has just been thrown out by his party primary - in effect, de-selected - in favour of an anti-war candidate who may be in a better position to exploit voters' disenchantment with events in Iraq.

For what may be similarly opportunistic reasons, the Tory party is backing away from support for Israel, even though Israel is the West's proxy in this global confrontation as much as Hizbollah is Iran's.

This is a critical moment. What we must call the "free world" will either decide that it must unite unequivocally against a force so dark that it is almost incomprehensible to democratic peoples, or else succumb to a daydream of denial that is nothing more than appeasement.


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KEYWORDS: fasscistic; fundamentalism; islamic; islamicnazis; right; word
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1 posted on 08/14/2006 3:17:25 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

Fascislam.


2 posted on 08/14/2006 3:22:48 PM PDT by cripplecreek (If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?)
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To: cripplecreek

Fasctastic.


3 posted on 08/14/2006 3:27:15 PM PDT by Cyclopean Squid (Being That Guy so you don't have to.)
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To: blam

Sums it up quite nicely ! Nice post:)


4 posted on 08/14/2006 3:27:23 PM PDT by mosquewatch.com ("The enemy is anyone who will get you killed, no matter what side they are on.")
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To: cripplecreek

islamism means islamisn't gonna survive!


5 posted on 08/14/2006 3:29:43 PM PDT by Dark Skies
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To: cripplecreek

Islamofascists works for the old curmudgeon. >:-}

Death to 'em all!!!


6 posted on 08/14/2006 4:19:25 PM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: blam

Always a mistake to apply political terms to religion...


7 posted on 08/14/2006 4:22:33 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: Cyclopean Squid

Fasctabulous!


8 posted on 08/14/2006 4:25:53 PM PDT by uglybiker (Don't blame me. I didn't make you stupid.)
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To: blam
Fascism was an invention of Benito Mussolini. The Moslems don't get their ideas from Mussolini; they get their ideas from Mohammed. They are Islamists, and they are adherents to a religion that condones murder, terror, and suicide.
9 posted on 08/14/2006 4:27:33 PM PDT by Malesherbes
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To: uglybiker

I guess it's become fascionable to make up words around fascism, but it will doubtless get old fasct.


10 posted on 08/14/2006 4:28:38 PM PDT by Cyclopean Squid (Being That Guy so you don't have to.)
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To: blam

I appreciate the sentiments in using the word fascism, but it sounds absurd to me, and it is just not correct. Why dont we call it islamo-nazism or islamo-communism, which are both roughly analagous in meaning to islamo-fascism.

My principal objection is not that it is NOT fascism.

My principal objection is that it is one more ridiculous attempt to evade the truth.

It is the worship of mohammed called islam that we are fighting: the teachings and practices of a violent, cruel, death-loving and humanity-hating belief system.

Islam.

And if anyone believes we will avoid destruction of our precious civilization without understanding that islam is our enemy, and without confronting the teachings and practices of islam, then they are on a wild goose chase.

Long ago I suggested we call this war, The War on Jihad. We don't need to call it The War on Islam. Jihad is the specific part of mohammed-worship which is the justification for killing us and making us suffer.

By calling it the War on Jihad, we clarify our thinking in the matter, we speak the truth, and we focus our minds on what we are actually confronting.


11 posted on 08/14/2006 4:34:42 PM PDT by Urbane_Guerilla
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To: blam
I don't know what the ranch in Texas has to do with anything, but Dr Sentamu seems not to understand the difference between describing Islamic fundamentalists as fascistic, and saying that all Muslims are fascists.

Here we go again apologizing for the "moderate" Muslim. The best I can understand is the moderate Muslim does not behead infidels but is accused of sitting on his hands for not raising an outcry against the "radical" Muslim.

If we are to have a moderate Muslim, we need to place him in the middle of the whole spectrum of Muslims. So, we need to identify the opposite end of the spectrum and recognize the "missing" Muslim. The missing Muslim who greet infidels with love, kindness, acceptance, the freedom to choose a religion, and decries dimmitude, honor killings, and slavery of women. Do you know any missing Muslims? I don't. They really don't exist. Since they don't exist, moderate Muslims can't exist because there is no middle.

All Muslims subscribe to the same fiendish beliefs. How many Muslims are changing from Islam to some other religion once they leave a Muslim land? Precious few. This is a sure sign that Muslims will be Muslims no matter where they go. The West needs to put Islam on a tight leash, preferably somewhere else other than in western countries.

12 posted on 08/14/2006 5:09:59 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The only good Mullah is a dead Mullah. The only good Mosque is the one that used to be there.)
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To: Cyclopean Squid
I must say, I'm impresssed by your fasct and fasctidious use of fasc-isms!

;-)

13 posted on 08/14/2006 5:22:52 PM PDT by uglybiker (Don't blame me. I didn't make you stupid.)
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To: durasell

Fascism was always a religion ~ adding some of the fringe stuff in Islam makes it a very dangerous religion. If you doubt that see how it's already taken over the Democratic party with anti-semitism.


14 posted on 08/14/2006 5:54:27 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts
The really liberal Moslems with their eye on a better future have alrady emigrated to the West. So have the moderates.

That's somewhat less than 1,000,000 people.

All the others are NOT MODERATE, and certainly not liberal!

15 posted on 08/14/2006 5:56:22 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: uglybiker

I think it's all a fascade.


16 posted on 08/14/2006 5:56:32 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: muawiyah

Fascism describes a political movement and only has limited use as a metaphor to describe religion.


17 posted on 08/14/2006 6:03:13 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: durasell

That's the old belief ~ turns out it was false.


18 posted on 08/14/2006 6:04:20 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

Many religions are unbending in their dictates and there is nothing wrong with that. As far as I know, there is no religion based on democratic principles. So would you call someone in the west who believes in "moral absolutes" a fascist?

Fascism is a convenient negative term to describe a negative phenom., but it's not accurate and doesn't do anything to increase our understanding of either radical islam or fascism's place in world history, i.e. WWII.


19 posted on 08/14/2006 6:07:56 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: durasell
Sure it does. The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem was a fascist. The Christian Falange in Lebanon is fascist. Hezbollah is fascist.

If you mean that fascism is not limited to one religious group, that's fine, but fascism is readily adopted by many religious groups.

My own religion believes in democratic governemnt, freedom and civil rihts. Islam, in general, believe sin authoritarian government, the leadership principal (which means no freedom), and no rights but those authorized within the umma by the ulemma (which means, in general, no civil rights and strict adherence to the grosser stupidities in the Sharia).

Islam is essentially fascism with prayer.

20 posted on 08/14/2006 6:16:22 PM PDT by muawiyah
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