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To: Kenton
"Under the system I was proposing a non-national combatant group would gain the same protections and obligations as a soldier in a legitimate national armed force. It would secure protections for captured insurgents, and as such, would seem to be a pretty good deal to all those pesky little "liberation" movements out there."

So you're saying the difference between your plan and the current Geneva convention is that "non-national combatant groups" could sign. Are you sure they couldn't now?

"If they chose not to take advantage of the opportunity, they would essentially be declaring it to be a "no rules" conflict. And Israel, for example, could take off the kid gloves and play by the "no rules" rules too. (But first they need to replace Olmert)."

It is essentially that now. Hezbullah is not covered by the Geneva Convention. There are no formal rules that Israel must obide by in fighting Hezbullah. But the civilized world still expects civilized behavior. Israel can't go in and commit genocide against Lebanon, because Hezbullah operates on their territory, even though Hezbullah is not covered by the Geneva Convention.

46 posted on 08/16/2006 11:24:57 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: DannyTN
So you're saying the difference between your plan and the current Geneva convention is that "non-national combatant groups" could sign. Are you sure they couldn't now?

There are about 150 signatories to the 4th Geneva Convention accords, and they are all soveriegn countries. Non-soveriegn insurgents are outside its' scope.

There were some new protocols added in 1977 to deal with anti-colonial wars, but less than half of the signatories signed up for those. Most sovereign countries don't want to be constrained by the rules of war when it comes to rebels.

It is essentially that now. Hezbullah is not covered by the Geneva Convention.

Right. Neither are the detainees at Gitmo. But the Federal courts recently ruled that they must be treated as if they are. This is a very fluid issue.

There are no formal rules that Israel must obide by in fighting Hezbullah.

Technically correct. However, this seems to be a major world secret. Only a few weeks ago, the world press was wailing and gnashing their teeth because of what they called Israel's "disproportionate response".

If ya get enough people making up new rules and people listen, before long everybody thinks it's a real rule. And of course, any new rule that goes to the detriment of western civilization is automatically supported by all the little piss-ant dictatorships in the UN.

But the civilized world still expects civilized behavior. Israel can't go in and commit genocide against Lebanon, because Hezbullah operates on their territory, even though Hezbullah is not covered by the Geneva Convention.

No, I wasn't suggesting that. I suggested they wipe out Hezbollah, not Lebanon. However, that would conceivably include Lebanese members of Hezbollah, and their infrastructure related to their fighting capability.

Lebanon is either a soveriegn country or it's not. And right now it's not, it can't control it's own territory, and has ceded the right to use military force against another country to Hezbollah.

Now, if the reason for that is military weakness on the part of the Lebanese, they would welcome Israel coming in and liberating their country from the bandits who control the south.

But I think that "poor Lebanon is a victim" stuff has proved itself to be folly. I think that to a very great degree, Hezbollah IS Lebanon. If the Lebanese army takes sides with Hezbollah against the Israelis, well, it's just a war between Israel and Lebanon.

47 posted on 08/16/2006 1:00:02 PM PDT by Kenton
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