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Minister arrested after taping Mormon pageant
Salt Lake City Tribune ^ | August 13, 2006 | Jennifer Dobner

Posted on 08/14/2006 9:03:38 AM PDT by Colofornian

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To: TexanToTheCore
LDS rules Salt Lake City.

...and LSD rules Berkeley, California.
61 posted on 08/14/2006 10:55:53 AM PDT by JayNorth
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To: msnimje

Ever heard of The Mountain Meadows Massacre, the Danites,
Destroying Angels, Avenging Angels, The "Death Society" - also known as "Daughters of Gideon," or, in Brigham Young's reign, as "Sons of Thunder," "Sons of Dan," How about blood atonement?


62 posted on 08/14/2006 11:37:10 AM PDT by Tspud1
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To: Colofornian
Sounds like a bit of confusion on the copyright issue.

First off, the copyright belongs to the performers or their producer. Doesn't matter if they admit everybody free of charge, it's their performance, or if it's performed in a public space.

63 posted on 08/14/2006 11:44:07 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: rhombus
Governments lease property to individuals and businesses all the time.

Only real problem in renting government property is they can cancel your lease under eminent domain INSTANTLY no matter what your lease says. On the other hand, you can probably get relief in court concerning lost business and so forth (as just compensation).

I'd never lease anything from the government ~ all their property is managed by idiots.

64 posted on 08/14/2006 11:47:52 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Colofornian

Even the news media don't film this sort of thing without permission ~


65 posted on 08/14/2006 11:48:49 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Colofornian
he was trying to video the secret Aztec blood sacrifices practiced by the Mormons (ok, calm down - its a joke, really, they are only rumors)
66 posted on 08/14/2006 11:49:46 AM PDT by chilepepper (The map is not the territory -- Alfred Korzybski)
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To: Dan(9698)
That is extremely misleading and not fair. You know and it has been publicized that he is not a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Anyone who is involved with polygamy are excommunicated. That is the extent of what the Church can or wants to do with them.

Your latter 3 sentences above are true. But I never claimed this person was LDS.

We all know of folks who are members of certain religious sects...2 generations later a grandchild might be doing something that if they were a member of their grandfather's sect, they would be excommunicated.

That does not negate the fact that such a person is still the "progeny" of the grandfather. Likewise, a number of sects have fractured from the "mother ship" so to speak. While the "mother ship" has disowned them, it doesn't mean that they are not spiritual progeny.

If you read UNDER THE BANNER OF HEAVEN, you'll note that John D. Lee was treated almost like a "stepson" by Brigham Young. When the heat got so bad on Lee, Young finally directed him to a distant outpost which is now "Lee's Ferry"--a point every rafter down the Colorado recognizes. Young's hopes was that Lee's out of the way residency would keep him safe.

Lee was a polygamist...most of his wives divorced him vs. accompanying him to such a remote outpost. But the LDS church sent a new operator (also a polygamist) to Lee's Ferry to assist one of Lee's wives. That person was was Warren Johnson, father of polygamist sect leader Leroy Johnson.

So even here, the actions of the "mother ship"--sending some of its polygamists to Lee's Ferry...became the fertile seed of Short Creek and the offshoots that arose there and elsewhere.

67 posted on 08/14/2006 11:50:18 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: MEGoody
Amazingly, since "copyright" is a Constitutional right, you will find just about every police agency in the country can point to one or more court cases to demonstrate that they have an "interest" in this process.

Your local Kinko's will not reproduce copyrighted materials without permission either, and in some cases, e.g. picture of a stuntman, they'd probably turn you in to the Stunt Man's Association for the reward.

68 posted on 08/14/2006 11:52:01 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Colofornian

I think rather "how much" is filmed, and for what purpose.

"30 sec shot on a TV News show" (particularly when the report is not "the show" but is ABOUT "the play")isn't "recording the entire feature play for selling later" ...


69 posted on 08/14/2006 11:53:05 AM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: muawiyah
Even the news media don't film this sort of thing without permission ~

Yes, usually the case...but I can just imagine "Sixty Minutes" doing some undercover probe...and in order to be "Cache County correct," they ask the local sherriff for permission to film.

That'll be the day.

70 posted on 08/14/2006 11:53:09 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian
Yup, when parts of Utah are rented out to a private party.

So's your house.

71 posted on 08/14/2006 11:53:54 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: cripplecreek
Scientologists are nuts but like Mormons, they don't blow themselves up in crowded resturaunts and that's good enough for me.

Words to live by. ;-)

72 posted on 08/14/2006 11:54:29 AM PDT by glorgau
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To: muawiyah
Your local Kinko's will not reproduce copyrighted materials without permission either

Again, technically correct but missing the basic news thrust of what happened over the weekend.

I mean, "Yup, shure...we see deputies arresting folks @ Kinko's for this violation every weekend!"

73 posted on 08/14/2006 11:55:49 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: SteveMcKing

"Mormons should be allowed their privacy, including the courtesy of not being filmed when you are trying to pray."

They weren't praying. They were conducting a play.


74 posted on 08/14/2006 11:56:43 AM PDT by Preachin' (Enoch's testimony was that he pleased God: Why are we still here?)
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To: Colofornian
YOu are really stretching the "fair use doctrine" much too far. That applies to non-commercial speech. The law recognizes that the "news hole" in the media is non-commercial. This situation involves down-stream "commercial use", and the fair-use doctrine simply doesn't apply.

Interestingly enough the Mormons can separately go after the guy for civil damages while the government lays to with criminal charges.

75 posted on 08/14/2006 11:58:47 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Colofornian
Respecting other people's requests seems like a reasonable thing to do. I have no idea about the legality of this, but this minister seems like a jerk, or at least behaved in a jerk-like way.
76 posted on 08/14/2006 11:59:05 AM PDT by pollyannaish
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To: muawiyah
So's your house.

Most houses are hardly considered "public property." So even a rented home is still private property.

77 posted on 08/14/2006 12:01:19 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Gordongekko909
I've never quite understood what the big deal is about this whole thing. If a person doesn't believe the same thing as Mormons, they are certainly no threat. I'm not Mormon, although I have some Mormon relatives that are terrific. It's never bothered me in the slightest.

Why did this minister want this video so badly he was willing to ignore a request? Sheep-stealing? Mormon-bashing?

It just doesn't make sense.
78 posted on 08/14/2006 12:03:19 PM PDT by pollyannaish
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To: epow
You had not, of course, rented the highway and reserved it to make a movie of your walk.

On the other hand, if films of your walk were used commercially you might change your mind.

For example, that crazy killer abortionst in Wichita might use a film of your walk to prove to an insurance company that his opponents were not so dangerous that he shouldn't be able to buy liability insurance for his business.

Without a "release" he couldn't do that and you could sue his little crotch panties off.

79 posted on 08/14/2006 12:04:20 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
Yup, when parts of Utah are rented out to a private party.

Okay, how much "undercover" film footage have you seen emerge on some investigative news program that involves shooting of film either disallowed by the proprieters (or would be if they knew it was being shot)? (And I'm not talking about anything that would be deemed as legally obscene or exploitive)

How many arrests has that resulted in?

If somebody videotapes something and profits from it in some unlawful way, we have civil courts for that. We don't tie up our police forces and sherriff's departments who launch anti-videocam campaigns.

80 posted on 08/14/2006 12:06:09 PM PDT by Colofornian
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