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To: in hoc signo vinces

'We should give the Israelies some M-1A2s.'

No, the brits should sell them some Challenger 2's - the best armoured tank in NATO. The M1A2 uses the original British Chobham armour which is very good, but the Challenger 2 uses 2nd generation chobham which is even better. If someones shooting at you, you want to be in a Challenger!

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/challenger2.htm

http://www.fprado.com/armorsite/abrams.htm


49 posted on 08/11/2006 6:36:56 AM PDT by AdAstraPerArdua
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50 posted on 08/11/2006 6:37:22 AM PDT by AdAstraPerArdua
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To: AdAstraPerArdua
The M1A2 uses the original British Chobham armour which is very good, but the Challenger 2 uses 2nd generation chobham which is even better.

The Abrams uses a modified Chobham derivative that is significantly more resistant than the original Chobham armor. It would be more accurate to say the Abrams uses a "Chobham type" armor technology. US materials science is second to none, and most of the military technology we adopt from others is re-engineered using our more advanced materials science capability. It is one of the key technology advantages of the US military.

109 posted on 08/11/2006 9:15:42 AM PDT by tortoise
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To: AdAstraPerArdua; in hoc signo vinces
If someones shooting at you, you want to be in a Challenger!

Boys, in 2006, if someone is shooting modern stuff at you, or has his finger on the remote detonator of an anti-tank mine, the last place you want to be is inside a targeted tank. No matter who makes it.

It's WWI all overagain ... square 1 ... Tanks must be supported by very effective infantry and other coordinated arms, capable of finding and taking out enemy anti-tank squads. Armor cannot operate alone on today's battlefields. Today's sophisticated anti-tank weapons, fired from above or behind tanks, have left them very vulnerable. E.G., Two-stage warheads can even defeat reactive armor. At the very least, cheap roadside IEDs can disable a tank, at the very worst, take out everyone inside it.

127 posted on 08/12/2006 8:18:01 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (How the hell did 12 apostles get into 1 Accord?)
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