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USING THE PROPER LABEL FOR TERRORISTS
neal nuze ^ | 08/11/06 | Boortz

Posted on 08/11/2006 5:44:38 AM PDT by NotchJohnson

USING THE PROPER LABEL FOR TERRORISTS

Yesterday President George W. Bush caused quite a stir when he made a statement to the media on the airport tarmac. His exact words were: "This nation is at war with Islamic fascists who will use any means to destroy those of us who love freedom, to hurt our nation." That's right....he said it. Islamic fascists. It's about time somebody the president start using the proper label.

This didn't set too well with CAIR, the Council for American Islamic Relations. Perhaps a better name for that organization would be the Council for Anti-American Islamic Retaliation. But anyway, I digress. Back to CAIR's comments. Their executive director took issue with the Islamic fascism label, saying "We believe this is an ill-advised term and we believe that it is counter-productive to associate Islam or Muslims with fascism,"

Ill-advised? How can a term that is so fundamentally correct be "ill-advised?"

A quick check of Dictionary.com finds this definition of fascism: "A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism." Sound familiar? Let's see....Iran...Syria....Iraq under Saddam Hussein...The Taliban....and on and on. Fascism is what these terrorists who were trying to blow up the planes yesterday ultimately want for every country. Total Islamic domination, in other words, a theocracy.

CAIR went on, speaking about the president: "We urge him and we urge other public officials to restrain themselves." Restrain themselves? Why should they? We're being attacked! Islamic fascists have declared war on Western culture in general, and the United States in particular. Our leaders are showing too much restraint, not too little.

Since when does speaking the truth require restraint? Just about every terrorist attack in the last 30 years has been committed in the name of Islam. That's their public relations problem, not ours.

By the way, no mention in the news coverage of CAIR's remarks of a condemnation of terrorism. Imagine my surprise.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: boortz; cair; fascism; futuredeadpeople; islamofascist; muslim; terrorists; willtowelheadwork; wot
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To: pissant

Not really. For the last 5 years he's called them extremist members of the religion of peace.

Does anyone know when Bush last used the "religion of peace" phrase ? I haven't seen it used by him for the last few months/year, maybe ?


41 posted on 08/11/2006 7:51:36 AM PDT by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: cinives

He calls it a religion of peace to not affend our many muslim allies. Which, BTW, have been invaluable in our fight against the terrorists, including Pakistan, which is a hotbed of terrorists. Jordan helped us snuff Zarqawi, and the Iraqi army is now doing some heavy lifting, as is the ever improving Afghan army.

Yet he has always called the enemy "terrorists", "jihadists", "muslim extremists", "evil", "islamic radicals" and also, "islamo-fascits".


42 posted on 08/11/2006 7:59:11 AM PDT by pissant
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To: NotchJohnson

"I think I hate CAIR more than the terrorists."

CAIR - Terrorst

Same thing


43 posted on 08/11/2006 8:06:55 AM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (In a world where Carpenters come back from the dead, ALL things are possible.)
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To: pissant
Baloney.

I'll define the enemy for you. It isn't "terrorism," it isn't even "islamofascism" or "radical islam." It is any muslim anywhere in the world that believes in those parts of the koran and hadiths including the example set by the prophet himself that instructs adherents to violate the physical, moral, and religious rights of others. The solution is to strike those sections from that religion and to make its practice or instruction illegal. Additionally, any mosque or other gathering place that preaches the hatred of islam should be closed and destroyed.

The violence of islam (including its cultic qualities) must be removed from the planet.

If there is anything left of islam after this is accomplished, it can remain in safety like any other faith.

Moderate muslims would welcome such an action if they are indeed moderate.

44 posted on 08/11/2006 8:08:56 AM PDT by Dark Skies
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To: NotchJohnson

The proper term for Islamofascist Terrorists is

JIHADISTS

I think it is important to use this term because it emphasizes that THEY are on a Jihad War against US - using "Islamofascist" sounds desperate to me, Terrorist is an empty phrase -

JIHADISTS is what they call themselves, and what they are.

And that's how I always refer to them these days.


45 posted on 08/11/2006 8:10:48 AM PDT by Jerez2
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To: harrowup
In fairness to Mr. Williams, until I hear otherwise I will agree with Howlin that he was a victim of speaking before fully engaging the link between a sleepy brain and muscular vocal apparatus.

I'm often guilty of that myself - on the golf course. Ben Hogan said that golf is played mainly on the 5 1/2" space of ground between one's ears.

46 posted on 08/11/2006 8:15:09 AM PDT by Hat-Trick (Do you trust a government that cannot trust you with guns?)
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To: pissant
I think Bush could have found many other ways to not offend Arab countries other than use the phrase "religion of peace". I don't ever recall him explicitly referring to the fact that the war on terrorism was explicitly a war against extreme radical Islamic elements until the last year.

Note the line in this article - http://www.danielpipes.org/article/142

"Insight: Are our government authorities sufficiently protecting the American people from the dangers presented by militant Islam?

DP: Not enough, because they are unwilling to proclaim militant Islam the strategic enemy. Instead, they content themselves with statements declaring true Islam to be a religion of peace. We need to take militant Islam more seriously.

Insight: Seriously in what sense?

DP: Airline security offers a clear example. Being serious means enhanced scrutiny of those who are more likely to commit terrorism - something that is illegal at this time."

We don't hear CAIR, Saudi Arabia or other "friendly" Muslim countries or groups worrying about whether they are offending us - why are we bending over backwards in such a disproportionate fashion ? :)

47 posted on 08/11/2006 8:19:34 AM PDT by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: theBuckwheat

"Maybe we should just settle for calling them what they call themselves, "those who wage jihad", or simply "jihadists"."

NO, this is an awful idea. Jihad is holy war.

There is nothing honorable or holy about the violence committed by militant Muhammadists. We should not dignify the efforts of militant Muhammadists by using their religious terminology.

The use of language is important in communicating the situation in time of war. In WW II, Germans and the German government were called Nazis, though you'll be hard pressed to find any German document that uses the word "Nazi". No American in 1941 would refer to WW II as a war to advance the interests of Bolsheviks and Jewish capitalists, to defile the Aryan race, and to deny Germans Lebensraum. That's what the enemy said, and only a fool would use the language of the enemy.

Why is it any different now? The enemy says he is fighting a holy war. If you call it a jihad, you're acknowledging that it is in fact a holy war and that you are in opposition to God. What could be more encouraging to religious fanatic that to have his enemy acknowledge the righteousness of his violence?


48 posted on 08/11/2006 8:21:12 AM PDT by RBroadfoot
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To: Dark Skies

The Iranian people as a whole are far more pro-american than leftists worldwide. Who is the bigger poison, the leftists or the population of Iran or Iraq?

Who would you rather have fighting on your side, socialists or Northern Alliance muhjahadeen? Who has come down more aggressively on terrorists, the Jordanian and Moroccan police or the dutch?

Who calls the terrorists apostates? The libs or Al-Sistani?

The point is, regardless of their bass akwards religion, the long term solution is to make allies in the muslim world, which we have been doing. If all the Iraqis hated us as the leftist contend and hope for, then we'd been out of their lon, long ago.


49 posted on 08/11/2006 8:34:44 AM PDT by pissant
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To: pissant
The point is, regardless of their bass akwards religion, the long term solution is to make allies in the muslim world, which we have been doing.

I have not disagreed with that.

There are moderate muslims in the world who are afraid of the fanatical element and have been a big help and are good allies.

What I have said is that islam must be parsed and the moderate faith must be separated from the violent...and the violent part must be outlawed and destroyed.

50 posted on 08/11/2006 8:40:01 AM PDT by Dark Skies
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To: cinives

Daniel pipes is blowing smoke. Yes, Bush has said Islam is a religion of peace. But he has also defined the enemy very well. And I assume if I take the time to quote him, oh lets say, 12 times defining the enemy succinctly, then you'll quit harping on this meme.


51 posted on 08/11/2006 8:41:20 AM PDT by pissant
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To: Dark Skies

With that I agree. The real crux of the problem, as Horowitz has stated time and again, is the alliance of the islamo scum with the quisling left. It is true, and I don't have time to expound on all the reasons why its true. Suffice to say that at least half the problem has nothing to do with islam, per se.


52 posted on 08/11/2006 8:45:24 AM PDT by pissant
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To: pissant
Who calls the terrorists apostates? The libs or Al-Sistani?

But remember that however Sistani may describe the terrorists as apostates, he still supports the Hezzies in Lebanon and blames Israel entirely for the conflict in there.

53 posted on 08/11/2006 8:45:33 AM PDT by Dark Skies
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To: pissant
Suffice to say that at least half the problem has nothing to do with islam, per se.

I hate it when I have to agree with others...but dammit you are right again.

54 posted on 08/11/2006 8:46:55 AM PDT by Dark Skies
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To: theBuckwheat
If "jihadist" (a person who follows fatwahs demanding jihad against Americans) is good enough term for the participants, it is good enough for me.No difference between "jihadist" and "crusader" in my mind.
55 posted on 08/11/2006 8:53:35 AM PDT by ez ("Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton)
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To: RBroadfoot
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The enemy says he is fighting a holy war. If you call it a jihad, you're acknowledging that it is in fact a holy war and that you are in opposition to God.
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While I appreciate your comment, it appears to pivot around the meaning of "holy" and by extension the authority of the deity to define what is holy and what is profane.

Jihad is war that advances the deity of Islam, Allah. Killing "infidels" is the command of this diety. I do not recognize that deity any more than I recognize Zeus or any of the deities of the several eastern religions. Islam's deity can call dog vomit holy but that does not mean anything to me, anymore than when a Christian theologian declares that water, bones, colored eggs and rabbits are "holy".

Further, I cannot dissuade the followers of this (or any) religion from defining or altering their own belief system. Quite to the contrary, advocates of Islam have forced me, without my permission, to accept or reject their offer: convert to their beliefs, submit or die.

I decline to accept their offer. I have accepted the offer of the God of Abraham and consider myself a heir of the promises that God made to him. This God defines what is holy and what is profane to me. I recognize no other authority, even as I respect the right of people to make their own choice.

If it were left to me, I would be happy to live in peace with everyone, as long as they extended the same courtesy to me. Sadly, jihadists now appear to believe that the path to their own better reward in the afterlife requires them to die while killing me and people like me. I object to them consuming me for their own selfish motives.

So this particular form of "holy war" is in fact a dangerous cancer to humanity. The first step to treating a fatal disease is to properly diagnose it, which means being able to call it for what it is.
56 posted on 08/11/2006 10:04:36 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: pissant
You make a lot of assertions with no references to anything to back them up. Here's more "harping" - you might note this one supports Daniel Pipes as well. BTW, try substituting the word "proving" for "harping" - you'll be closer to fact.

http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=20051024&s=editorial102405

Note again these lines:

"But Bush's words to the National Endowment for Democracy proved to be major indeed--not to mention most welcome. In his speech, Bush all but admitted that the war on terrorism, a phrase he himself practically coined, is actually a misnomer. The United States is engaged in a struggle not against terrorism per se, Bush said, but against something more specific--an evil ideology that inspires terrorism. And, for the first time, Bush gave this evil a name.

"Some call this evil Islamic radicalism; others, militant Jihadism; still others, Islamofascism," Bush explained, before, for his own purposes, settling on the term Islamic radicalism

This was written in 2005 about a Bush speech in 2005. If you choose to disagree, which of course you may, why don't you provide a reference prior to 2005 in which Bush defined the terrorism we fight as Islamic radical extremism ? If you can't, it's you who are blowing smoke.

57 posted on 08/11/2006 10:42:11 AM PDT by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: cinives

From Sept 20, 2001, speech to nation:

"The terrorists practice a fringe form of Islamic extremism that has been rejected by Muslim scholars and the vast majority of Muslim clerics -- a fringe movement that perverts the peaceful teachings of Islam. The terrorists' directive commands them to kill Christians and Jews, to kill all Americans, and make no distinction among military and civilians, including women and children."

June, 2004 to Homeland Security

"Here in Illinois, we convicted a man with a longstanding ties to bin Laden, who had been using a Chicago-area charity called the "Benevolence International Foundation" to channel money to Islamic militants".

November 2003, Whitehall England

"But the violence we are seeing in Iraq today is serious. And it comes from Baathist holdouts and jihadists from other countries and to the prospect of innocent bloodshed."

That's in a 5 minute search. So if you were confused on who the enemy was, it's not the President's fault.



58 posted on 08/11/2006 11:33:21 AM PDT by pissant
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To: theBuckwheat
I appreciate your comment, also.

However, Allah is simply Arabic for God. It's not a name. The same word Allah is used in John 1:1, for example:

فِي الْبَدْءِ كَانَ الْكَلِمَةُ، وَالْكَلِمَةُ كَانَ عِنْدَ اللهِ. وَكَانَ الْكَلِمَةُ هُوَ اللهُ .

The اللهِ in John 1:1 is the Arabic word "Allah". (In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with اللهِ and the Word was اللهِ.)

Allah is also the Aramaic word for God. When Jesus used the translated word translated "God" in English, he certainly spoke the word "Allah" (اللهِ)

Many scholars believe that the Gospel of Mark was originally written in Aramaic. Thus, the word اللهِ, Allah, has been used by the God of Abraham to identify Himself in both speech and writing.
59 posted on 08/11/2006 1:09:59 PM PDT by RBroadfoot
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To: RBroadfoot
With all due respect, the way this line of thought leads to the wrong conclusion because it often is used to justify equivalence, and to lead to the proposition that the deity of the Torah is the deity of the Koran.

They may have the same word in some languages or contexts, but if you look at how they describe themselves, their goals, how they instruct humanity to relate to them and how they relate to humanity, they are not the same beings.

At the very least, the God of the Torah, beyond giving a finite area of the middle east to Israel, does not authorize anyone to exceed that boundary. Further, and more important to how He relates to humanity, He never forces anyone to accept a relationship with Him, especially by forced conversion at the point of a sword.

(Until a manuscript is unearthed, it is only speculation that any of the gospels were written in a language other than Greek. Thus, it is a great stretch to speculate on how Mark would have used the word Allah.)
60 posted on 08/11/2006 2:10:44 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
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