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Teenager Fatally Shot by Father of 2nd Youth in a Confrontation
NY Times ^ | August 11, 2006 | BRUCE LAMBERT and JULIA C. MEAD

Posted on 08/11/2006 4:05:08 AM PDT by Pharmboy

What started out as a night of fun for teenagers at a summer party on Long Island turned into a confrontation and ended in death when a father shot one of five threatening youths who followed his son home, the police said yesterday.

The dispute began at a gathering Wednesday night in Sound Beach, near Long Island Sound in Suffolk County, when a girl complained that she had been insulted by something vulgar that another partygoer, Aaron White, 19, had written about her in an Internet chat room, the police said.

Mr. White was told to leave the party and then drove to his home in nearby Miller Place. But en route, the dispute escalated in a series of angry cellphone calls with another partygoer, Daniel Cicciaro, 17, of Port Jefferson Station, the police said. With four companions, Mr. Cicciaro pursued Mr. White to his home, arriving there shortly after 11 p.m., they said. “The five individuals pull up in two cars, and when they do, the garage door opens and exiting are the son with a shotgun and his father with a handgun,” said Detective Lt. Jack Fitzpatrick, commander of the Suffolk County Police Homicide Squad.

“There’s a confrontation in the street, a lot of yelling, and at some point Mr. White shoots the victim in the face,” he said, referring to John White, Aaron’s father.

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John White, 53, a construction foreman, was arrested... The weapon used was an unlicensed semiautomatic, the police said.

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Mr. Cicciaro, who graduated from Newfield High School in June, was white, as are his companions; Mr. White and his son are black.

The neighborhood where the party and the shooting took place, on the upper-middle-class North Shore, is predominantly white.

The Whites bought their house there in 2004.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: banglist; deadlyforce; selfdefense; shooting; whiteblack; yutes
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One shot in the ground would have scattered them.
1 posted on 08/11/2006 4:05:10 AM PDT by Pharmboy
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Mr. White and his son are black

Whoa. I am confused.

2 posted on 08/11/2006 4:08:55 AM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (War is Peace__Freedom is Slavery__Ignorance is Strength)
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"One shot in the ground would have scattered them."

You mean after the sight of the two armed men didnt? It was 5 to 2 when the two were on their own property.

They should have stayed in their house but I can't really fault them for defending themselves.

Of course you could always have called 911 and hoped they responded.


3 posted on 08/11/2006 4:09:56 AM PDT by driftdiver
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Yep...the five were unarmed and the sound of the shot would have stopped them in their tracks. If they were armed--even with pipes or 2x4s--then shooting at them would have been appropriate, IMO.


4 posted on 08/11/2006 4:13:29 AM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must)
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Why do they bother mentioning race? Mr. White shot a youth in the street without do cause. Is there more to this story than the bigot reporter is telling us here?


5 posted on 08/11/2006 4:13:30 AM PDT by poobear (Political Left, continually accusing their foes of what THEY themselves do every day.)
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Mr. Cicciaro pursued Mr. White to his home, arriving there shortly after 11 p.m., they said. “The five individuals pull up in two cars, and when they do, the garage door opens and exiting are the son with a shotgun and his father with a handgun,

That is about the time reasonably sane individuals would have left. And while differant states have differant laws, if the five stepped onto the White's property, in many states they would be justified in using deadly force.

But since this is an newspaper account I would be amazed if they even have the names right.

6 posted on 08/11/2006 4:13:41 AM PDT by thiscouldbemoreconfusing
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To: poobear

Question of bias crime was raised in the article.


7 posted on 08/11/2006 4:14:28 AM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must)
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"The weapon used was an unlicensed semiautomatic, the police said..."

What is this 'license' they speak of?

/Some days it's better to be a Floridian.
//Some days, at least.

8 posted on 08/11/2006 4:15:07 AM PDT by Wormwood (Iä! Iä! Cthulhu fhtagn!)
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Maybe.. maybe not, but he probably should have tried it first.

Sad story all the same.


9 posted on 08/11/2006 4:16:00 AM PDT by sassygirl
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"Yep...the five were unarmed and the sound of the shot would have stopped them in their tracks. If they were armed--even with pipes or 2x4s--then shooting at them would have been appropriate, IMO."

I just don't believe in warning shots. I've always been taught that if you don't have reason to kill someone you shouldn't be pulling the trigger.

If the sight of the guns didn't deter these 5 young adults then how do you know the sound of a warning shot wouldn't have just escalated the issue?


10 posted on 08/11/2006 4:16:32 AM PDT by driftdiver
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
Although the police said they did not consider the shooting a bias crime, racial remarks were used by the pursuing teenagers in the phone calls and at the confrontation in front of the Whites’ house, according to Mr. White’s lawyer, Daniel T. Driscoll.

He said the pursuing teenagers “were using insults,” and derogatory terms, while the White family had “absolutely no” racial motivation.

That clear it up for you?

11 posted on 08/11/2006 4:18:08 AM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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Mentioning that Mr. White and his son are black is being a biggot?


12 posted on 08/11/2006 4:18:33 AM PDT by sassygirl
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I didn't really catch the bias with all the snips. Mr. White has the proverbial race card chip on his shoulder?
13 posted on 08/11/2006 4:18:52 AM PDT by poobear (Political Left, continually accusing their foes of what THEY themselves do every day.)
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It was the "Mr. White is black" thing. I was trying to make a joke on his name. I actually understood the article. Maybe it wasn't that funny.


14 posted on 08/11/2006 4:20:11 AM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (War is Peace__Freedom is Slavery__Ignorance is Strength)
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To: poobear

The white boys who invaded the White's property were evidently using racial slurs.


15 posted on 08/11/2006 4:20:49 AM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must)
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" He said the pursuing teenagers “were using insults,” and derogatory terms, while the White family had “absolutely no” racial motivation."

I don't buy the "no racial motivation" on his part if the pursuing young adults were using racial insults. All the same, they shoulda known better than to chase this guy back to his house.


16 posted on 08/11/2006 4:21:16 AM PDT by driftdiver
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

Oh... I get it now. :*)


17 posted on 08/11/2006 4:21:24 AM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

Journalism One-Oh-Dumb.


18 posted on 08/11/2006 4:21:46 AM PDT by Dionysius
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To: driftdiver
I don't buy the "no racial motivation" on his part if the pursuing young adults were using racial insults. All the same, they shoulda known better than to chase this guy back to his house.

I don't understand. If five white guys are chasing one black guy and they are calling him names how does that also implicate the one black guy?

19 posted on 08/11/2006 4:23:15 AM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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To: driftdiver

The sound of a gunshot changes everything. And, I have heard what you have heard my whole life also, but these kids evidently did not have tire irons in their hands. If they did, I'm with you--no warning shots.


20 posted on 08/11/2006 4:23:23 AM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must)
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