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U.S. Says Terrorists Planned Dry Run
AP ^ | August 10, 2006 | LARA JAKES JORDAN

Posted on 08/10/2006 1:08:44 PM PDT by West Coast Conservative

The terrorist attack foiled by British authorities on Thursday was aimed at blowing up as many as 10 airplanes on trans-Atlantic flights, and plotters hoped to stage a dry run within two days, according to U.S. intelligence officials.

The actual attack would have followed within days.

One official said the suicide attackers planned to use a peroxide- based solution that could ignite when sparked by a camera flash or another electronic device.

The test run was designed to see whether the plotters would be able to smuggle the needed materials aboard the planes, these officials said. They spoke only on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the subject matter.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: crushislam; dryrun; islam; islamisevil; londonairlineplot; muslims; terrorism; trop
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To: West Coast Conservative

I am trying to think why a terrorist would smuggle an explodable device onto a plane just to see if they could do it. I suppose you cold send one test subject out and then scale it up later if they got through security.

It could also be a distraction. Perhaps the TSA better be scouring the flight reservations for 8/22..


21 posted on 08/10/2006 1:27:09 PM PDT by IamConservative (Humility is not thinking less of oneself; humility is thinking about oneself less.)
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To: WestCoastGal
So they had the proper paperwork to get into this country!!

Most, if not all, of the plotters were British citizens. A British citizen only needs a passport to enter the U.S. No visa is necessary.
22 posted on 08/10/2006 1:27:35 PM PDT by conservative in nyc
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To: West Coast Conservative

So did they have a Plan B?


23 posted on 08/10/2006 1:28:29 PM PDT by sportutegrl (A person is a person, no matter how small. (Dr. Seuss))
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To: Canard

We can't even trust the CIA. Why would the Brits ?


24 posted on 08/10/2006 1:29:23 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: 2banana

I'm predicting that there are other coordinated murder schemes associated with this plane detonation plot. All appear to point to an 8/22 date for execution around the world. I don't plan on being in ANY public location like a Mall or theater on 8/22. In fact, I may not even leave the house on 8/22 or 8/21/ or 8/23 ... you never know what hour (world-wide) of 8/22 these murderous Muslim maniacs have scheduled their slaughterous service their blood god schemes to begin and end.


25 posted on 08/10/2006 1:29:55 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: Walrus; Canard
Not to mention all of Iran's oil money. They've spent hundreds of billions on Hezb'allah over the past 20 years. What's a couple of million for a "light up the infidel" display?

Doing it for allah is nice, but doing it for allah and 25k is MUCH nicer.

26 posted on 08/10/2006 1:30:06 PM PDT by HeartlandOfAmerica (Middle East Interactive Map: http://interneticsonline.com.dish5009.net.ibizdns.com/MEMap.html)
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To: West Coast Conservative

11 missing Egyptians = dry run?


27 posted on 08/10/2006 1:30:47 PM PDT by Gritty (If the holy book of the Islam recommends killing infidels, who are we to judge? - Mark Steyn)
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To: MHGinTN
I don't plan on being in ANY public location like a Mall or theater on 8/22. In fact, I may not even leave the house on 8/22 or 8/21/ or 8/23 ... you never know what hour (world-wide) of 8/22 these murderous Muslim maniacs have scheduled their slaughterous service their blood god schemes to begin and end.

Mission accomplished, then?

28 posted on 08/10/2006 1:32:16 PM PDT by Rutles4Ever
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To: Canard
I doubt that an Iranian terror plot would be carried out by British-born people of Pakistani descent to be honest.

ABC reported that one was of Iranian descent (FWIW, of course).

29 posted on 08/10/2006 1:33:37 PM PDT by browardchad
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To: West Coast Conservative

First we get Bernard Lewis' WSJ commentary earlier this week, suggesting that August, particularly Aug 22, would be seen as a propitious month to execute another terrorist spectacular, now we get this event in Britain which has disrupted international air traffic for a while. Apparently the potential perpetrators have been practicing this for several years. Note the date of the following column.

http://www.womenswallstreet.com/columns/column.aspx?aid=578&p=1

Part I: Terror in the Skies, Again?
This is Part I of the ongoing series entitled, “Terror in the Skies, Again?”

WWS Exclusive
By Annie Jacobsen
7/13/2004

Note from the E-ditors: You are about to read an account of what happened during a domestic flight that one of our writers, Annie Jacobsen, took from Detroit to Los Angeles. The WWS Editorial Team debated long and hard about how to handle this information and ultimately we decided it was something that should be shared. What does it have to do with finances? Nothing, and everything. Here is Annie's story.


30 posted on 08/10/2006 1:34:19 PM PDT by Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek
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To: From many - one.
Annie Jacobsen witnessed the musician terror plot and she chronicles it at Women's Wall Street dot com. She has written a book about it, as well. Yes, all of those men, congregating in the bathroom--to what--mix liquids and assemble a bomb?
31 posted on 08/10/2006 1:34:52 PM PDT by rabidralph
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To: Canard
I doubt that an Iranian terror plot would be carried out by British-born people of Pakistani descent

Sure it would. In fact, homegrown terrorist cells are probably soliciting bids from terrorist motherships like al-Qaida and Iran. Think of rival movie studios bidding on a script that's sure to be a blockbuster. In the same way, promising terrorist cells will be sponsored by the highest bidder.

32 posted on 08/10/2006 1:35:27 PM PDT by Veto! (Opinions freely dispensed as advice)
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To: brownsfan

The Valerie Plame Outing: Fear and Loathing at the CIA?

by Jim Kouri, CPP



I am deeply troubled. I'm troubled over the liberal-left's newfound love for the Central Intelligence Agency. I guess we should be glad that they're not calling for more restrictions on the CIA or trying to inflict further budget cuts on the beleagured agency. But when I see a political party whose members liken our military to Nazis and offer aid and comfort to our enemies -- intentionally or unintentionally -- defending people they otherwise regularly condemn, it causes me to pause and reflect upon the reasons for the CIA suddenly being protected by the leftists in the Democrat Party and their echo chamber in the news media.

Since Friday, the news media coverage of the Libby indictment has reached the level of absurdity. Even Fox News Channel decided to add a new twist to the alleged outing of CIA bureaucrat Valerie Plame by the Bush White House: fear at the CIA over agents being outed. Personally, they have nothing to worry about. Our enemies know that the CIA's ineptness is an asset to their Jihad, so why would they wish to harm members of that agency? It's in the best interests of those who wish Americans harm to have the same ineffective people operating a dysfunctional intelligence service.

This may shock the reader, but I believe Valerie Plame deserved to be outed, covert or not covert. The woman was running her own covert CIA operation to undermine the Bush Administration's war plans and she used her husband, Joe Wilson, to do it. We still have no information on who at the CIA actually dispatched Joe Wilson to Africa. Lewis Libby's mistake was not telling the American people that indeed he told reporters about Plame and perhaps there should have been a televised press conference announcing the deceit of Wilson and Plame and illegal operations being conducted within the continental United States by an out-of-control intelligence agency.

When Wilson came back from Niger, Africa, he began a campaign to cast doubts on British intelligence reports that were quoted by President Bush. It was repeatedly discovered that Wilson told lie after lie after lie. For example, he claimed he was sent on his fact-finding mission by the Vice President. Liar, liar, pants on fire. Cheney never heard of the man prior to his rantings. He claimed that no one knew Valerie Plame worked at CIA. Lie. Wilson routinely introduced his wife at Washington's elitist functions and parties as his "CIA wife." Wilson said his wife had nothing to do with his Niger assignment. Lie. His wife recommended him for the job. Even his New York Times op-ed denigrating President Bush turned out to be a pack of lies when compared with what he told congress.

The lies continued before the 2004 election until the conservative media proved Joe Wilson to be a pathological liar. Even presidential candidate John Kerry removed Wilson's bio and picture from his campaign website. Kerry dropped him like a hot potato. Cheney, Libby, Rove and even President Bush should have sounded the alarm instead of holding their tongues about a renegade operation being conducted by members of the CIA and John Kerry's foreign affairs advisor Joe Wilson.

With all due respect, I find it hard to believe that Valerie Plame was frightened after having her so-called cover blown. Having her photo in Vanity Fair and going to events with her husband is hardly the behavior of someone frightened by having her identity blown. Instead of looking for the closest safehouse, she's now a Washington celebrity. Look for a movie to come out about her and her hero husband: "All The President's Men Part II."

As far as CIA agents living in fear of being outed, perhaps they should start doing their jobs instead of leaking information to the news media and playing political games. Their track record on intelligence gathering and analysis hasn't been all that stellar. New York City endured the death of over 2,700 people because the CIA couldn't catch a cold in the dead of winter, much less capture terrorists plotting death and destruction in American cities. Perhaps CIA director Porter Goss and the new intelligence czar John Negroponte should accelerate house cleaning at the CIA.

In a previous article, I alleged that the CIA has morphed into a liberal-left think tank. Now more than ever I suspect this deadly transition has occurred within the intelligence community. And why this newfound love for an agency they once detested? The Democrats HATE George W. Bush. Apparently the CIA shadow government isn't that crazy about Bush either. In Mao's Red Book, he says, "The enemy of my enemy is my friend." It may be as simple as that.



Jim Kouri, CPP is currently fifth vice-president of the National Association of Chiefs of Police. He's former chief at a New York City housing project in Washington Heights nicknamed "Crack City" by reporters covering the drug war in the 1980s. In addition, he served as director of public safety at a New Jersey university and director of security for several major organizations. He's also served on the National Drug Task Force and trained police and security officers throughout the country. He writes for many police and security magazines including Chief of Police, Police Times, The Narc Officer and others, and he's a columnist for TheConservativeVoice.Com, AmericanDaily.Com, MensNewsDaily.Com, MichNews.Com, and he's syndicated by AXcessNews.Com. He's appeared as on-air commentator for over 100 TV and radio news and talk shows including Oprah, McLaughlin Report, CNN Headline News, MTV, Fox News, etc. His book Assume The Position is available at Amazon.Com, Booksamillion.com, and can be ordered at local bookstores. If you wish to sign up for his intelligence reports, write to JimKouriReports@aol.com. Kouri's own website is located at http://jimkouri.u


33 posted on 08/10/2006 1:38:07 PM PDT by Howlin (Pres.Bush ought to be ashamed of himself for allowing foreign countries right on our borders!!~~Zook)
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To: Veto!

"In fact, homegrown terrorist cells are probably soliciting bids from terrorist motherships like al-Qaida and Iran."

The former being far more likely than the latter IMO was my point, I wasn't saying that there was no external assistance.


34 posted on 08/10/2006 1:39:46 PM PDT by Canard
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To: West Coast Conservative
I just flew from Northern California to Atlanta a couple weeks ago....

..There were 2 (that I saw) Mideastern guys...one in front of me, one next to me.

It made me uneasy especially since I had an aisle seat...(specifically requested) and he tried to talk me out of it....said it was his.

I had to sit next to him for 4 hours...!!

May be overreacting on my part, but he seemed to be acting weird.

35 posted on 08/10/2006 1:43:31 PM PDT by Guenevere (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: Blessed are they that love thee.)
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To: anonsquared
Likely to cause more problems than it solves.

BTW, your suggestion is eerily reminiscent of past policies in another country - Japan.

It was a while ago, (during the Tokugawa Shogunate, Edo Period) but the activity (fumie) didn't seem to help either.
36 posted on 08/10/2006 1:45:43 PM PDT by ASOC (The phrase "What if" or "If only" are for children.)
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To: brownsfan

When do you think the Libs will understand that the muslims are a threat?

Maybe Bin Laden would allow us to send our Liberals to one of his training camps...kind of like "Liberal Summer Camp"...to learn the truth for themselves. ("Don't take my word for it! Talk to Abdul here....")

Perhaps the ones who came back with their heads (if any) would have learned how to use them for thinking purposes.


37 posted on 08/10/2006 1:46:38 PM PDT by July4th64 ("The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left." Eccles. 10:2)
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To: Canard; CarrotAndStick; Saberwielder; swarthyguy

Try this on for size then .... an ISI op meant to look like something a whole lot less organized than it really was. ISI and Iran are bedfellows.


38 posted on 08/10/2006 1:49:44 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: 2banana
Interesting cooincidents of 911.

http://www.greatdreams.com/trade_numbers.htm

39 posted on 08/10/2006 1:56:24 PM PDT by Cobra64 (All we get are lame ideas from Republicans and lame criticism from dems about those lame ideas.)
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To: IamConservative
I am trying to think why a terrorist would smuggle an explodable device onto a plane just to see if they could do it.

That's what I thought as I've read the threads.

Do a dry run and you are doubling your chances of getting caught.   If true, that is really very stupid.

40 posted on 08/10/2006 1:56:55 PM PDT by Lady Jag (Hatred is the coward's revenge for being intimidated)
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