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Test scores show 325 Ark. schools fall short of standards
AP/Baxter Bulletin | August 10, 2006 | ANDREW DeMILLO

Posted on 08/10/2006 5:35:02 AM PDT by sweetliberty

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Test scores show 325 Ark. schools fall short of standards


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: Arkansas
KEYWORDS: dumbeddownkids; education; everychildleftbehind; failingschools; publicschools; reasonstohomeschool
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But I thought more money was supposed to FIX this problem! I guess they didn't get enough. < /sarcasm >

I'd be interested to know the percentage of failing kids who are being medicated.

1 posted on 08/10/2006 5:35:03 AM PDT by sweetliberty
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To: TheBattman; goldensky; faux_hog; FmrMarine; Former; General Albert Pike; geram; glockxgray; ...
Arkansas ping.

Battman, do you have access to a list of these school or know where to find one?

2 posted on 08/10/2006 5:38:10 AM PDT by sweetliberty (Stupidity should make you sterile!)
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To: sweetliberty

The sad thing is the kids will now be taught nothing but the answers to the next test. Got to get that federal money.


3 posted on 08/10/2006 5:41:14 AM PDT by Founding Father (You cannot wage a war in a politically correct manner and win.)
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To: sweetliberty
To improve scores, just get the government out of the process of educating people and turning it over to the private sector.
4 posted on 08/10/2006 5:50:38 AM PDT by oyez (The way to punish a providence is to allow it to be governed by philosophers. --Frederick the Great)
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To: sweetliberty
Arkansas Schools Notified Concerning Not Meeting AYP - PDF Aug. 9, 2006   

Here is the list of schools, and other data

SI List - EXCEL

5 posted on 08/10/2006 6:00:20 AM PDT by TimesDomain
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To: sweetliberty

The Clinton Legacy.


6 posted on 08/10/2006 6:04:04 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper
But, apparently, they can do the required math to determine how large an intern can fit under a given desk.
7 posted on 08/10/2006 6:06:55 AM PDT by mikeybaby (long time lurker)
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To: sweetliberty

How many school districts would fall short if teachers didn't spend week after week teaching the test to students instead of trying to actually educate a student or two? Answer: All of them.


8 posted on 08/10/2006 6:10:22 AM PDT by thelastvirgil (Incumbent politicians: PUBLIC ENEMY NUMBER ONE.)
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To: sweetliberty

Money can't fix too high expectations. But we can change the standards - in search of an egalitarian society.

I remember when standards were high and the objective. Now let Darwin do his worst.


9 posted on 08/10/2006 6:12:31 AM PDT by dhuffman@awod.com (The conspiracy of ignorance masquerades as common sense.)
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To: sweetliberty
If you look at the data in the spread sheet, the schools in Arkansas are having significant problems with two sectors--African Americans in math and literacy and Economically Disadvantaged in math and literacy. Part of the problem is that a kid can count for two or more categories. They seem to be doing okay in the learning disabilities areas for all groups, not great, but o-kay, so based on that this problem is not the special education departments failing.

Almost every single school has very high pass rates for Caucasian literacy and math and even the Hispanic population and LEP do just about as well (Are there a lot of Hispanics in AR? If not, that stat could look better than it is if there are not enough to count) The glaring stand out problems are blacks and poor kids.

Here is the problem we face in our school and I'm sure we are not unique. NCLB says we have to offer extra tutoring and assistance outside the school hours for kids in failing categories. Our school does--and we offer transportation door to door. But, the kids refuse to stay and the parents refuse to make them stay. The teachers try to make the time fun with refreshments, a short break, a reward day once a month, tons of one-on-one time (the ratio is about 2.5 kids to 1 teacher). We offer before school and after school---the kids have their choice. There are even Saturday sessions. The teachers that do the program are paid quite well by the hour and all are there because they want to be. In short, on paper the program looks inviting and rewarding. The problem? The kids won't come.

So now, schools are over a barrel. The horse won't even come to the water, much less drink it. There is simply no way teachers at a school teaching math and reading can compete with the TV, video games, playing on a computer or shooting hoops. We can't do it. So when these kids fail the SOL's again, we will be back to the drawing board of how to get them to come. The next step is to do the extra tutoring during their elective time, but no one is keen for that either. What would you rather do if you are failing math already? Do more math or art?

It's a catch-22 and damned if I have an answer for it. When the kids fail the tests, it hurts the schools right away, but it doesn't hurt the kids until they are juniors in high school. Then in VA, these become barrier tests to graduation. But, try telling that to a 6th or 7th grader. 11th grade is too far away.

But back to this situation in AR, good luck to them. This is not a matter of teaching to the test, it is probably a matter of teaching them to do math and to read when their culture tells them that both are unimportant, there are no books in the home, the TV and radio are never off, and their gods are Tupac and P. Diddy.

10 posted on 08/10/2006 6:26:30 AM PDT by SoftballMominVA
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To: sweetliberty

When Bubba was Governor he appointed Hillary to make recommendations for improvement to the schools. When she closed many small schools, created large schoold districts by consolidating them. She then doubled the money for education. Result! Not any better - just and example that she is a social engineer resulting in chaos.


11 posted on 08/10/2006 6:28:40 AM PDT by golfisnr1 (look at a map)
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To: SoftballMominVA
Actually, if anyone reading this has any ideas of how to accomplish the goal of getting kids to come in outside of school hours, I'd love to hear it. I promise I will take any serious ideas to my principal.

Understand though that the suggestion of "just teach them during school hours" won't help. NCLB clearly states that the school must offer EXTRA and ADDITIONAL hours over and beyond the normal school core day. And just offering is not enough, we must show that the kids are coming and using the federal funds. Having 10 teachers paid at over $40 an hour to work with a few kids does not show good stewardship of fed funds and it will come back to bite sooner or later.

12 posted on 08/10/2006 6:35:09 AM PDT by SoftballMominVA
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To: sweetliberty

A couple of thoughts on the subject from someone "in the trenches"..

Yes, the schools are failing horribly, even with the added requirments. But part of the problem is that it is difficult to hit a "moving target" which is what the test score requirements amount to.

Also, at least where I am, the teachers are being run through the wringer to do curriculum planning, remediation, and all sorts of other things to supposedly boost student performance.

But to what goal? The "No Child Left Behind" act that sets an unachieveable goal? Actually the goal is achievable - just lower the standards to a point that every child CAN be "on grade level"....

A simply look at our own classes growing up (or for those of us who are in the trenches - look around) - there have always been those who will never learn and know everything that others will - regardless of how much help/remediation/love/feel-good treatments/medication/etc. you give them. This comes both from those who just do not have the same mental function as others, but also those who just don't care - and never will (including those who are the criminals who we must keep in schools and have no options to deal with the serious disipline problems they present).

The problems with education go SO far past anything that is being addressed with NCLB - yet it has been touted as the cure-all. No - it is the way to frustrate teachers who are really trying, and to spend more tax dollars.

Here is an honest opinion - the few good teachers are being run off.


13 posted on 08/10/2006 10:22:30 AM PDT by TheBattman (Islam (and liberalism)- the cult of a Cancer on Society)
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To: Founding Father
"The sad thing is the kids will now be taught nothing but the answers to the next test."

If they're capable of remembering them...or copying them.

14 posted on 08/10/2006 10:41:50 AM PDT by sweetliberty (Stupidity should make you sterile!)
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To: oyez
"...get the government out of the process of educating people and turning it over to the private sector."

I absolutely agree with you.

15 posted on 08/10/2006 10:46:39 AM PDT by sweetliberty (Stupidity should make you sterile!)
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To: TimesDomain
Thanks very much for the list. I notice that the vast majority of the failures are in areas that are densely populated by blacks and or illegals non-English speaking populations. That is not surprising. What IS surprising to me is some of the schools (in predominantly white areas) that DIDN'T fail. All I can say is that the "passing" standard must be pretty low.
16 posted on 08/10/2006 10:54:48 AM PDT by sweetliberty (Stupidity should make you sterile!)
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"The Clinton Legacy."

How can you say such a thing, considering how tirelessly Hillary worked on improving education "for the children" in Arkansas? Is a sarcasm tag really needed?

17 posted on 08/10/2006 10:57:33 AM PDT by sweetliberty (Stupidity should make you sterile!)
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To: SoftballMominVA
"Are there a lot of Hispanics in AR?"

Arkansas has one of the fastest growing populations of illegals in the country. Tyson imports them by the busloads.

"The problem? The kids won't come."

Likely government solution: Keep the parents too ignorant and spiritually barren to understand or be responsible for adequately providing for, disciplining and supervising their children. Enter the government "saviors" as more or less permanent guardians of all minor children, with parental involvement only by permission and within certain specified guidelines. Then they could be indoctrinated 24/7 and those pesky parental units would be out of the way altogether, and what without the need for day care, just think of how much more time they would have available to work...to accommodate the higher tax burden for the "privilege" of having the "compassionate" government relieve them of the responsibility of child-rearing.

Sound preposterous? Perhaps; but then so did homosexual marriage, as recently as 5 years ago.

18 posted on 08/10/2006 11:22:48 AM PDT by sweetliberty (Stupidity should make you sterile!)
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To: SoftballMominVA
"Having 10 teachers paid at over $40 an hour to work with a few kids does not show good stewardship of fed funds"

And just when did the government start concerning itself with being good stewards of our hard-earned money? I must have missed that headline.

19 posted on 08/10/2006 11:24:49 AM PDT by sweetliberty (Stupidity should make you sterile!)
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To: sweetliberty

We are required to show how we use the money. If we don't have enough kids in the program, we are fined.


20 posted on 08/10/2006 9:07:00 PM PDT by SoftballMominVA
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