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Hawkish Gloom
NRO ^ | August 08, 2006, 5:31 a.m. | Stanley Kurtz

Posted on 08/09/2006 10:12:16 AM PDT by isaiah55version11_0

Call me a gloomy hawk. It’s not just that I’m a hawk who’s disappointed with the course of fighting in the Middle East. My concern is that our underlying foreign-policy dilemma calls for both hawkishness and gloom — and will for some time. The two worst-case scenarios are world-war abroad and nuclear terror at home. I fear we’re on a slow-motion track to both.

No, I don’t think our venture in Iraq has gotten us into this mess. I think this mess has gotten us into Iraq. And the mess will not go away, whatever we do. Our Islamist enemy has proven himself implacable — unwilling to relent in the face of either dovish or hawkish policies. That means we’re facing years — maybe decades — of inconclusive, on/off (mostly on) hot war, unless and until a nuclear terror strike, a major case of nuclear blackmail, or a nuclear clash among Middle Eastern states ushers in a radical new phase.

Castro

Let’s take a moment to think about Castro. Castro is the master and pioneer of ornery third-world defiance. We need to appreciate the immensity of Castro’s achievement in preserving Cuba’s Communist dictatorship for 17 years after the collapse of his chief patron, the Soviet Union. It’s remarkable that, absent any great-power protection, and even after becoming, without Soviet subsidies, a permanent economic basket-case, Castro’s regime has not collapsed.

Let that be a lesson to those who wait for the collapse of regimes in Iran, North Korea, or Palestine because of long-term economic failure and/or economic sanctions. Yes, popular uprisings happen (as in Iran against the Shah). Yet it’s also clear that a posture of anti-Western defiance, combined with nationalism, ideology, and dictatorial rule is perfectly capable of sustaining a miserable, poverty-stricken, failed system far, far beyond the point that Westerners would consider tolerable or believable.

If you are willing to kill yourself — if you are willing even to impoverish, immiserate, and let die much of your country, you can accomplish a great deal. Hezbollah’s gains in its war with Israel stem from its ability to define success as mere survival, even as the country around it is destroyed. This is no mere clever public-relations spin, but the reflection of a profound reality: the growing independence of terrorist organizations from states, and the willingness of Islamist terrorists to sacrifice all in pursuit of fundamentally non-material goals. With military success (accurately) framed as the near-complete destruction of terrorist forces, decisive military victory is virtually defined out of existence.

Democracy?

This is why the United States has turned to democratization. The stick of military force combined with the carrot of democracy was supposed to have provided a way out. Unfortunately, democratization of fundamentally illiberal societies cannot happen quickly. Real democratization requires a great deal of time and deep, painful, expensive underlying cultural change, almost impossible to bring about without an effectively permanent military occupation.

Even a long-term military occupation cannot promote democratization in the absence of social peace. The Iraqi resistance’s greatest victory came with the very start of their campaign. By creating sufficient insecurity to bar Western civilians from Iraq, the real key to democratic change was blocked from the start. If advising an Iraqi bureaucrat, working with an Iraqi entrepreneur, or teaching at an Iraqi college had become career-making occupations for an ambitious generation of young American civilians, we might have had a chance to build genuine democracy in Iraq. Once the rebellion made that sort of cultural exchange impossible, the democratization project was cut off before it could begin.

I’ve made these points about the problems of democratization since before the invasion of Iraq (See my “After the War” and “Democratic Imperialism.”) In those pieces, I even “predicted” the sort of trouble we’re seeing now. Yet, despite that gloom, I was, and remain, a hawk. I am hawk because I believe that the danger of nuclear terror and nuclear blackmail remain real, and because I am convinced that negotiations from weakness, grand bargains, and unilateral retreats are powerless to defuse these threats. In short, I am a gloomy hawk because I believe that neither hawks nor doves have any viable near-term solutions to the problem we now face.

Technology

Globalization, economic advance, and technology are at the root of our dilemma. It is remarkable that 9/11 meant more civilian casualties from a foreign foe than this country had ever experienced at a blow. Without the movement of Middle Easterners to Europe (to learn our languages, take our classes, etc.), without our modern mastery of building technology and air travel, 9/11 could not have happened. Recall that the plan of the first, failed blast in 1993 was to topple one World Trade Center tower into the other, bringing both down on surrounding buildings for a possible total of 200,000 dead. This was the approximate combined total of dead at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The 1993 terrorists were consciously focused on that precedent, wanting to inflict nuclear-level damage on the United States.

The destruction of the World Trade Center raised the possibility that a rogue state might supply terrorists with a nuclear bomb, or enough material to make such a bomb. Already, there was an alliance between a state (Afghanistan) and a terrorist organization. But in the war between Israel and Hezbollah, we’ve seen a further step toward the feared pattern. Hezbollah rockets have already inflicted far more damage and disruption on Israeli civilians than attacks in any previous Middle Eastern war. That is because military technology is getting ever cheaper, more advanced, and more available, and because of a military alliance between a supplying state (Iran) and a terrorist organization.

So we are already seeing a terrorist-executed proxy war against the West using advanced technology supplied by a rogue state. It only remains for a nuclear device to replace the cheap rockets. Iran is working on that. This is why Europe, led by France, is moving into the American corner. The internal Islamist terror Europe had hoped to avoid by distancing itself from the United States is happening anyway. And Europe fears that a terrorist-supplied Iranian bomb, a nuclear-armed Iranian missile, or an Iranian attempt to corner the world’s oil supply through nuclear blackmail, pose direct threats to the continent itself.

Iraq

Our attack on Saddam was the easiest way to create a credible threat of force against Iran and North Korea, while also cutting out Saddam’s own capacity to build or buy (from Korea and/or the A. Q. Kahn network) his own nuclear weapons. For this reason, it needed doing. Given the immense dangers faced by the West, and compared to our sacrifices in World War II and Korea, 3,000 casualties is not an excessive cost (tragic as these losses are). Yet our domestic divisions, and our inability to pacify Iraq have largely (although not, I believe, entirely) canceled out the deterrent message of the invasion.

Without a credible threat of force (and maybe even with a credible threat), there is simply no way that negotiations, “grand bargains,” or unilateral withdrawals will accomplish anything. Israel had about as credible a threat as anyone could. Given its foes’ rejection of a reasonable American-brokered deal, Israel tried unilateral withdrawal instead. Now look what’s happened. The depth of the Moslem world’s failure to adjust to modernity, the profundity of its need for scapegoats, the seeming boundlessness of its willingness to accept the death and destruction of its own in exchange for the “honor” of “revenge,” are difficult for Americans to acknowledge. Read “A Middle Way” (by David Warren in the Ottawa Citizen) and you will see that the Western public is systematically sheltered from the sort of news that turns people into gloomy hawks.

Wishful Thinking

At Newsday, typically dovish Middle East Studies professor Fawaz Gerges says, “Hezbollah has risen to fill a social need.” I find Gerges’s vision of a solution in the Middle East utterly naive. He pretends that Hezbollah is not standing as a proxy for Iran, and acts as though a little bit of forceful negotiating can prod Hezbollah into disarming, and Israel and its Arab foes into a comprehensive settlement. But Israel has already made the sort of gestures that ought to have created momentum for peace. Instead, it’s gotten more attacks, and the persistent calls for its destruction so chillingly described by David Warren.

On one critical point, however, Gerges is right. If liberals are lost in wishful thinking about the prospects of negotiated settlements and nuclear containment, conservatives are naive about the possibility of ending terror by a decisive military blow. Gerges is right that Hezbollah is not some finite terror force, but the expression of the will and aspirations of a massive portion of the Lebanese people. As such, it is unlikely to be bombed out of existence.

Gerges makes the doves’ favorite point: bombing and war only breed more terrorists. True enough, but only because the underlying cultural dilemma of Muslim modernity has created a need for scapegoats. War ought to produce the realization that peaceful compromise is the way out. Instead it produces the opposite. Gestures for peace fare no better. Withdraw or attack, the results are the same: more hatred, more terror, more war. Compromise and settlement have been ruled out from the start by a pervasive ideology, an ideology that is a product of the underlying inability to reconcile Islam with modernity.

New Israel

This means that the entire Western world now stands in a position roughly analogous to that of Israel: locked in an essentially permanent struggle with a foe it is impossible either to placate, or to entirely destroy — a foe who demands our own destruction, and whose problems are so deep they would not be solved even by victory.

We can leave Iraq, as the Israelis left Lebanon. But we’ll likely be back, there or somewhere else, before long. Some say our army should wait among the Kurds, striking selectively in the rest of Iraq, only when al Qaeda returns. That’s a plan. Yet its likely to end up where Israel is in Lebanon, especially if al Qaeda starts kidnapping American soldiers with cross-border raids into the “Kurdish entity.”

Meanwhile, short of a preemptive war, Iran is bound to get the bomb. No grand bargain or set of economic sanctions can deter it — especially now that Iran is convinced of its success in creating havoc for the West, and in consolidating popular support through its proxy attacks on Western interests. As Ian Bremmer reports in “What the Israeli-Hezbollah War Means for Iran,”

Iran is convinced it’s winning, while America and Europe are increasingly convinced that a nuclear-armed Iran would be an intolerable danger to their interests. “Imagine...how much more dangerous the war in Lebanon would be if Iran had a nuclear weapon.”

Collision Course

The West is on a collision course with Iran. There will either be a preemptive war against Iran’s nuclear program, or an endless series of hot-and-cold war crises following Iran’s acquisition of a bomb. And an Iranian bomb means further nuclear proliferation to Egypt and Saudi Arabia, as a balancing move by the big Sunni states. With all those Islamic bombs floating around, what are the chances the U.S. will avoid a nuclear terrorist strike over the long-term?

You don’t believe that dovishness and negotiations will fail? Just wait till President Hillary tries to buy off the Iranians with a “grand bargain.” Just wait till a nuclear Iran is unleashed to make further mischief. A seemingly futile and endless occupation of Lebanon once split Israel down the middle, breeding an entire generation of Israeli doves. Now Israel is a united nation of gloomy hawks, transformed by the repeated failure of every gesture of peace, and by the reality of their implacable foe. (See “Praying for Hummus, Getting Hamas.”) I’m betting that someday we’ll all be gloomy hawks, too. As for me, I’m already there.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
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To: dfwgator

That was an old Elton John song. Too bad he didn't follow trough.


21 posted on 08/09/2006 10:41:08 AM PDT by pissant
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To: MNJohnnie

You have a lot of nerve calling someone a chicken when your head is buried in the sand.


22 posted on 08/09/2006 10:44:10 AM PDT by My2Cents (A pirate's life for me.)
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To: isaiah55version11_0
Call me a gloomy hawk. It’s not just that I’m a hawk who’s disappointed with the course of fighting in the Middle East. My concern is that our underlying foreign-policy dilemma calls for both hawkishness and gloom — and will for some time. The two worst-case scenarios are world-war abroad and nuclear terror at home.

Put me down as a vote for embarking on the former, with a view toward persuading any and all parties interested in bringing the latter to us that such would be a terminally unwise move on their part.

23 posted on 08/09/2006 10:51:03 AM PDT by RichInOC (The United States Armed Forces...MOVING 'ZIG' FOR GREAT JUSTICE since 1775.)
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To: isaiah55version11_0
I've lately come to the conclusion that this is going to end only when the Israelis light up the Middle East with their arsenal of nuclear weapons, either because they've been hit with a nuclear bomb or are certain they are about to be. The only question is whether millions will die, tens of millions will die, or hundreds of millions will die, and that's going to be up to the Israelis and may depend on how many Israeli's die first. And I do have some morbid curiosity about whether a post-nuking of Mecca Islam will turn introspective and peaceful, like Judaism largely did after the destruction of the Temple, will die out from disillusion, or whether they'll carry on as they do now.

Why such pessimism? Because nobody wants to stop Iran from getting nukes. Once that happens, it's only a matter of when, not if, nuclear weapons get used in anger again. And I think the United States must declare (A) that it still follows the MAD doctrine and will utterly destroy any nation that uses nuclear weapons on the US (whether the distruction is "mutual" or not and will not use a "proportional" response) and (B) that any and all state sponsors of terrorism (including North Korea, Iran, and Syria) will be considered resopnsible for any nuclear weapons used by terrorists and will be the recipients of the above-mentioned MAD response if a terrorist uses a nuclear weapon on the United States or a close ally (e.g., NATO, Israel, Japan). And if China or Russia fuss, tell them that we'll still have plenty of nukes left over to ask them if it's worth destroying their country, too, over. If the world really wanted to stop this, they'd put Iran's president down like the mad dog that he is.

24 posted on 08/09/2006 10:51:26 AM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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To: MNJohnnie
A very absurd hysteric analysis by a panic striken chicken know nothing.

Thanks, I appreciate the thoughtfulness of your analysis.

25 posted on 08/09/2006 10:53:33 AM PDT by Invisible Gorilla
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To: isaiah55version11_0
Meanwhile, short of a preemptive war, Iran is bound to get the bomb. No grand bargain or set of economic sanctions can deter it — especially now that Iran is convinced of its success in creating havoc for the West, and in consolidating popular support through its proxy attacks on Western interests. As Ian Bremmer reports in “What the Israeli-Hezbollah War Means for Iran,”

Iran is convinced it’s winning, while America and Europe are increasingly convinced that a nuclear-armed Iran would be an intolerable danger to their interests. “Imagine...how much more dangerous the war in Lebanon would be if Iran had a nuclear weapon.”

Collision Course

The West is on a collision course with Iran. There will either be a preemptive war against Iran’s nuclear program, or an endless series of hot-and-cold war crises following Iran’s acquisition of a bomb. And an Iranian bomb means further nuclear proliferation to Egypt and Saudi Arabia, as a balancing move by the big Sunni states. With all those Islamic bombs floating around, what are the chances the U.S. will avoid a nuclear terrorist strike over the long-term?

Until there actually is a preemptive war against Iran to prevent it from getting nukes, Iran is winning. If the Democrats are allowed to take control of either the House or Senate in November, Iran will certainly win.

26 posted on 08/09/2006 10:58:17 AM PDT by Invisible Gorilla
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To: groovejedi

bump for later read


27 posted on 08/09/2006 11:44:15 AM PDT by groovejedi
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To: isaiah55version11_0
Yep, been saying all that, and it is right. Except he retains a few unwarranted threads of mere wishful thinking, like this one -

"This is why Europe, led by France, is moving into the American corner."

Dream on. It may have been drifting that way before Iran consciously played the anti-Zionism card, but now that it has every politician in France to scrambling to put daylight between himself and those warmongering Jew loving Americans. Ahmadjehad is playing them like a fiddle, and they scream anti-Americanism whenever he wants them to.

"The internal Islamist terror Europe had hoped to avoid by distancing itself from the United States is happening anyway."

It always was, and it was and remains just another reason for that distancing.

"And Europe fears that a terrorist-supplied Iranian bomb"

Nah, Merkel and Blair say so but in the end they would much rather beat up Israel. Iran they have been begging for meaningless lies and raising their bid continually, and can't understand why Ahmadjehad doesn't let them off and take the money. Because, dum-kopfs, humiliating you is worth more to him than your money. He can get all the money he needs from the oil markets. In the end the EU will settle for meaningless sanctions.

The cheery bit that he leaves out is that the hawks have staked out for themselves the only viable long run policy, and they've been roundly condemned and castigated for it, and it will not be implemented. "If you give advice to a prince, and it not being taken disaster follows, you will reap great glory" - said Machiavelli.

The left and the appeasers are going to get their fondest wish. They are going to get power and they are going to get to appease the terrorists. And it isn't going to work at all.

Then someone will be sitting pretty politically. Granted, the country will be in the crapper, and western civilization with it. But the blame, and the credit! Ah, those are the real stakes aren't they?

We are all fools...

28 posted on 08/09/2006 8:01:26 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: isaiah55version11_0
re: If liberals are lost in wishful thinking about the prospects)))

I don't believe this--rather, I think they are utterly cyncial and know full well their ideology can't work. They just think this position will put them back in power.

29 posted on 08/09/2006 8:06:25 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: Ninian Dryhope
Let's see.

1 million Algerian dead.

2 million Vietnamese dead.

1 million Iranian dead.

Nope, doesn't remotely stop any of it. Tyrants don't care how many bodies a policy costs.

War we always have with us. Ruthlessness doesn't make it go away. We can win any of them (we are winning in Iraq easily), but we can't get out of a single one.

And if the American people decide that they will only count as a victory, the absence of any war whatever, anywhere, no matter how lopsidedly won - then they condemn themselves to defeat, endlessly. Because the least little two bit militia in Somalia can manage that much. No matter how many times you've made the rubble bounce.

30 posted on 08/09/2006 8:06:34 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: Mamzelle
Fine be me. Let it. Then when they can't stop the Iranians, they get all the blame for it, too.
31 posted on 08/09/2006 8:07:19 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: JasonC

Yeah, and maybe we stop sending bodies in places they don't need to be. Ulnless you think its that important....in which case, why aren't you there??


32 posted on 08/09/2006 8:10:01 PM PDT by notigar
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To: notigar
They need to be wherever anybody else wants to take a poke at us, which is up to them not us. Having world power means war endlessly, like it or not, not up to you. It means martial valor and political unity as far as the eye can see, or defeat - take your pick. And oh the second won't stop either, until they reappear.
33 posted on 08/09/2006 8:19:26 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: JasonC

Hey, if you truly believe its that important, why aren't you there?


34 posted on 08/09/2006 8:31:28 PM PDT by notigar
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To: notigar
Also, let's just cut to the chase and establish a military aristocracy right now. After all, there is no reason for mere civilians to be consulted on grave matters of international politics. I propose that only decorated veterans be eligible for public office, or able to vote. And to make it a true aristocracy, let's have one vote per medal, wound, step in rank, and year of service. So the sad sacks don't ruin it, you know. I'm sure that is what you meant, right? I'm all for it, let's make the change. Or are you just another hypocrite?
35 posted on 08/09/2006 8:31:52 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: notigar
My service was 15-20 years ago, and now I make software instead. It helps, you can be sure of that. You do agree to abolish voting by all these pestilent civilian traitors, don't you?
36 posted on 08/09/2006 8:33:39 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: My2Cents
Truth be told, I think Bush has gone limp on the entire effort.

Americans are, at bottom, wimps. It's not Bush who has lost his resolve, it's his opponents and the Democrat party.

Which one of those do you belong to?

37 posted on 08/09/2006 8:35:12 PM PDT by sinkspur (Today, we settled all family business.)
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To: JasonC

hypocrite? that would mean I'm really for something, but not willing to do what I could about it. feeling a little guilty?


38 posted on 08/09/2006 8:36:04 PM PDT by notigar
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To: JasonC

Good for you then. But your service was in a five year window? Never heard of that type.


39 posted on 08/09/2006 8:38:02 PM PDT by notigar
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To: notigar
Nope, not at all. You love chickenhawk nonsense so I assume you are in favor of an aristocratic regime in which all power rests only with veterans. I'm in favor of that too, let's get cracking. I'm simply waiting for you to endorse the proposal.
40 posted on 08/09/2006 8:38:52 PM PDT by JasonC
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