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11 Egyptian Exchange Students Missing
Independnet Record ^ | August 8, 2006 | Mark Sherman

Posted on 08/08/2006 5:00:48 AM PDT by 84rules

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To: ladyjane

Still missing last I heard. Something might be up since they would have heard by now and called in to their chaperone agency if they were just taking a side-trip.


61 posted on 08/09/2006 9:02:29 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: ladyjane
One has to see just WHAT these are; don't you think?

Wouldn't Christ's Church know what they are?

Now in this respect there are several points of controversy between Catholics and every body of Protestants. Is all revealed truth consigned to Holy Scripture? or can it, must it, be admitted that Christ gave to His Apostles to be transmitted to His Church, that the Apostles received either from the very lips of Jesus or from inspiration or Revelation, Divine instructions which they transmitted to the Church and which were not committed to the inspired writings? Must it be admitted that Christ instituted His Church as the official and authentic organ to transmit and explain in virtue of Divine authority the Revelation made to men? The Protestant principle is: The Bible and nothing but the Bible; the Bible, according to them, is the sole theological source; there are no revealed truths save the truths contained in the Bible; according to them the Bible is the sole rule of faith: by it and by it alone should all dogmatic questions be solved; it is the only binding authority. Catholics, on the other hand, hold that there may be, that there is in fact, and that there must of necessity be certain revealed truths apart from those contained in the Bible; they hold furthermore that Jesus Christ has established in fact, and that to adapt the means to the end He should have established, a living organ as much to transmit Scripture and written Revelation as to place revealed truth within reach of everyone always and everywhere. Such are in this respect the two main points of controversy between Catholics and so-called orthodox Protestants (as distinguished from liberal Protestants, who admit neither supernatural Revelation nor the authority of the Bible). The other differences are connected with these or follow from them, as also the differences between different Protestant sects--according as they are more or less faithful to the Protestant principle, they recede from or approach the Catholic position.

Tradition and Living Magisterium

But most important are the words of our Savior, who founded a single church (Matt 16:17-19), "the pillar and foundation of truth (1 Tim 3:15)," to which we are to take our doctrinal disputes:

Matthew 18:17

If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, treat him as you would a pagan or a tax collector.

I didn't see you address this fundamental point.

This also follows logically, since the Church wrote, preserved and canonized Sacred Scripture. The Church gave us the Scriptures, not vice versa.

Ahh... but these were not complied 'til hundreds of years AFTER Matthew wrote what he did.

Effectively. There was a general consensus within the early Church regarding the authority of various books, but there were apocryphal books in circulation as well. The question arises, Who had the authority at the time (and now) to decide which was which? If you accept the current NT, you're accepting the canon of the NT established by the Catholic Church. If you reject the Church, you reject the canon of the NT.

Let's look at (Matt 16:17-19)... and some other verses, too.

Is Peter the 'rock'?

18. And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. 19. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven."

Let's correlate this verse with other parallel verses.

Isaiah 22:22

I will place on his shoulder the key to the house of David; what he opens no one can shut, and what he shuts no one can open.

Revelation 3:7

These are the words of him who is holy and true, who holds the key of David. What he opens no one can shut, and what he shuts no one can open.

In Isaiah 22, we see the existence of the historical office of the vice-regent of the Davidic kingdom, and its transferrance from Shebna to Eliakim. The authority of the vice-regent was symbolized by an over-sized key, which the vice-regent wore around his neck.

In Revelation 3:7, we see that Jesus is the eternal King of the House of David, and that he is "the power behind the key."

In in the passage you cite, we see Jesus give the key of the eternal House of David to Peter. Peter is the vice-regent of the eternal Davidic kingdom. This office is the papacy.

NIV 1 Corinthians 10:4 4. and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ.

Yet Christ names Simon, Cepha or "Rock." So which is it? This doesn't have to be an either/or, it can be a both/and. Christ is obviously the The Rock, but he renames Simon "Rock" because he has given Peter the key of the Davidic kingdom. Peter holds a position of authority given him by the ultimate Authority.

...No other rock...

So what did Jesus mean when he changed Simon's name to "Rock"?

62 posted on 08/09/2006 10:52:03 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: ladyjane

Right post, wrong person!


63 posted on 08/09/2006 10:52:48 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: ladyjane

Pictures to go along with that list of 11 names would have been helpful. I couldn't even find a mention of this on the FBI's website.


64 posted on 08/09/2006 12:04:39 PM PDT by redstates4ever
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To: Gritty

I am from Turkmenistan. Let me tell you something. These kids have not seen much and it is their golden dream to come to America. So please take timeto learn about their background. They are not terrorists. It is a very friendly nation. I fyou have any questions or concerns communicating with your exchange student from turkmenistan, please email me.

Adolat


65 posted on 09/12/2006 8:53:44 PM PDT by adolat_salamat
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To: 84rules

Why do we, as a nation, keep insisting on ingesting strychnine?


66 posted on 09/12/2006 8:55:54 PM PDT by Scotsman will be Free
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To: adolat_salamat

You joined today to tell us that....on a thread 36 days old?

Come on now. Don't blow smoke up my butt while telling me the woods are on fire.


67 posted on 09/12/2006 8:56:19 PM PDT by 308MBR (Milkin' and a churnin', pickin' cotton, raising "heck" and balin' hay!)
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To: 84rules

A continued reliance on PC perhaps? Unhealthy of course.


68 posted on 09/12/2006 8:57:24 PM PDT by phoenix0468 (http://www.mylocalforum.com -- Go Speak Your Mind.)
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To: 308MBR
You joined today to tell us that....on a thread 36 days old?

That's some strange gig with newbies that I can't figure out yet....I busted another this morning, because she started berating some FReeper over a post from a ways back.

This is terrible. The Erwin family just survived a horrible accident. How dare you make jokes and insult Mr. Erwin's intelligence. Their injuries were LIFE-THREATENING--do you realize that? What if that was YOUR family? Since everyone is just making assumptions about how this happened--I'll tell you. They DID NOT fill an air mattress with propane. They filled an air mattress with air from an old propane tank that had not been filled with propane in five years. Apparently, there was still enough propane residue to be flammable, and the explosion happened when they were letting the air out of the air mattress. Now, I'm not saying that this was good or bad idea. The only thing that I do know is that they are just thankful to be alive. Everyone makes mistakes, we are only human. Have some respect.
48 posted on 09/12/2006 9:52:23 AM PDT by kariarmstrong [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 47 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
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To: kariarmstrong How is it that Newbies almost always dredge up non-current threads, and then comment on 'em? BTW, proper decorum here is to not pick fights on your first day - give it at least a week!

49 posted on 09/12/2006 9:55:36 AM PDT by ErnBatavia (Meep Meep) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 48 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]

69 posted on 09/12/2006 9:01:56 PM PDT by ErnBatavia (Meep Meep)
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To: adolat_salamat

Let me tell you something. I do not care what their dreams are. Muslims have proven many times that they are our enemy. I do not give a rat's ass about their background. Muslims are our enemy. They are not from a friendly country. Muslims are our enemy. Get it?


70 posted on 09/12/2006 9:04:12 PM PDT by Scotsman will be Free
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To: adolat_salamat
They are not terrorists.

I think you must have me confused with someone else.

71 posted on 09/12/2006 9:04:55 PM PDT by airborne (Fecal matter is en route to fan! Contact is imminent!)
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To: ErnBatavia

Thanks for the support!

I'm sort of new, but this behavior is quite odd. I wonder what "poke sallet" thought about my profile page?

That makes the RADICAL assumption he/she/it is smart enough to find it!


72 posted on 09/13/2006 1:12:19 PM PDT by 308MBR (Milkin' and a churnin', pickin' cotton, raising "heck" and balin' hay!)
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