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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
The entire reformation was about a personal relationship with God and individualism and not the political authority of the Catholic Church.

You mean the Protestant Revolution? There's a fine line between "a personal relationship with God" and simple disobedience to authority, or pride.

Matthew 18:17

If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, treat him as you would a pagan or a tax collector.

The existence of sinful clerics shouldn't have come as a surprise to Martin "Bible Alone" Luther.
Matthew 13:24-30

Jesus told them another parable: "The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field. But while everyone was sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and went away. When the wheat sprouted and formed heads, then the weeds also appeared.

"The owner's servants came to him and said, 'Sir, didn't you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?'

" 'An enemy did this,' he replied. "The servants asked him, 'Do you want us to go and pull them up?'

" 'No,' he answered, 'because while you are pulling the weeds, you may root up the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.' "

And then, Jesus did choose Judas as one of his Apostles.
83 posted on 08/08/2006 8:21:43 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: Aquinasfan

Reading the statement I wrote,and you highlighted I have to disagree with myself. Damn me.

A large part of reformation had to do with counts and kings jockeying for power right here on earth.

The scripture you quoted is material for another thread... or several volumes of discussion.


86 posted on 08/08/2006 10:53:04 AM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (War is Peace__Freedom is Slavery__Ignorance is Strength)
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