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8/8 Middle East live Thread
Middle East Live Thread ^ | 8/8/06 | BurbankKarl

Posted on 08/07/2006 10:33:58 PM PDT by BurbankKarl

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To: sarasota

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461 posted on 08/08/2006 11:28:10 AM PDT by COUNTrecount
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To: COUNTrecount

Thanks!


463 posted on 08/08/2006 11:31:08 AM PDT by sarasota
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To: Fitzcarraldo

FBI: Approach Missing Egyptians with Caution

An FBI advisory says there are, at present, no known connections to any terrorist group but that the students are to be "approached with caution" and taken into custody.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2006/08/fbi_approach_mi.html

I THOUGHT THE FBI INDICATED THEY WERE NOT A THREAT!!!!


464 posted on 08/08/2006 11:31:20 AM PDT by conservativepoet
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To: sarasota

My daughter and I plan to see it together, just like we did United 93. With tissues.


Yea, you might need the tissues


465 posted on 08/08/2006 11:31:40 AM PDT by jhp
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To: conservativepoet

The govt screwed up yet again....


466 posted on 08/08/2006 11:31:47 AM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: conservativepoet
FBI: Approach Missing Egyptians with Caution

we don't even have pictures, who do we know who to approach "with caution".

469 posted on 08/08/2006 11:34:22 AM PDT by Fitzcarraldo
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To: Allegra

Hi, Allegra. You're probably sleeping by now (hope so). I'm just on lunch break myself. Anyway, thanks for the reply. I pretty much figured it was all "political" but still... I'll follow up this evening or maybe I'll skip over to tomorrow's thread.


470 posted on 08/08/2006 11:34:35 AM PDT by Paul R. ("Diplomacy is the art of saying "Nice Doggie" until you can find a rock" - Will Rogers)
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To: BurbankKarl

I'm sure they are just following "procedure".


472 posted on 08/08/2006 11:36:28 AM PDT by sarasota
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To: conservativepoet

Too late. They have already entered a beehive IMHO. We are so soft. Bush should end all visas to people from Islamic countries. Mueller is like a modern day Betty Crocker.


473 posted on 08/08/2006 11:37:25 AM PDT by samadams2000
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I'm sure they are just following "procedure".

which procedure, the "enable 9-11 attack" procedure or the "public is basically dumb" procedure?

475 posted on 08/08/2006 11:37:45 AM PDT by Fitzcarraldo
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To: jeffers; 4butnomorethan30characters
You can't grieve too much for Masood. Though courageous and militarily and politically formidable, he accepted half a mill from the CIA to close the Salang Tunnel, but the tunnel stayed open, probably because Masood raided the Soviet convoys through there for the Panjshir valkley's daily bread.

He had his own games going on, most, but not all, honorable.

I disagree. Ahmad Shah Masood was a far better ally in that region than others upon whom the CIA stupidly and stubbornly lavished the greater portion of their aid. For example, the CIA insisted on giving millions in money and weapons to Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, even though they were warned repeatedly that he was virulently anti-Western and ant-American. He publicly told his followers that when they had finished with the Russians they would turn the West's weapons against them.

Masood, in contrast, was Western-educated and generally pro-Western, within the inherent limitations necessary to operate effectively in that part of the world. A certain amount of duplicity and "corruption" is necessary to both be effective and to remain alive in that milieu.

The example of the "half a mill" CIA payment he "reneged" on is true, but it's also trivial when compared to the millions in cash and arms Hekmatyar accepted from the CIA for use against the Russians. It was also stipulated that he share them with his fellow mujaheddin freedom fighters, including Dostum and Masood, but instead he used those same weapons to attack them.

The duplicity and unreliability of the CIA towards Masood, Dostum and the other Afghan muj leaders in favor of Hekmatyar during those years gave them ample reason to repay them in kind. The subsequent actions of Hekmatyar since that time through the present continue to demonstrate the consequences of CIA incompetence during that period. He is a major leader of the Afghan terrorist resistance. Our troops in Afghanistan are being killed by his forces right now, and we are expending significant resources trying to nail him.

Both Masood and Dostum urged the CIA to kill Hekmatyar in the '80s. The CIA should have listened. America lost a friend and a valuable ally in Masood. If he were not, Al Quaida would not have thought it necessary to kill him just before the 9/11 attack.

I agree completely with you about Dostum, however. He has gotten a bum deal.

476 posted on 08/08/2006 11:38:03 AM PDT by tarheelswamprat
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Migratory birds threatening the Israeli Air Force

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477 posted on 08/08/2006 11:40:24 AM PDT by harwood (Ann Coulter: Future SCOTUS nominee!)
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To: Fitzcarraldo

we don't even have pictures, who do we know who to approach "with caution".


Good point.


478 posted on 08/08/2006 11:40:46 AM PDT by conservativepoet
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To: BurbankKarl

I am afraid the "interesting" may end up being an understatment...literally "afraid".


479 posted on 08/08/2006 11:41:20 AM PDT by Txsleuth ((((((((ISRAEL)))))))))
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To: harwood
Migratory birds threatening the Israeli Air Force

Now if this was a New York Times Headline...

Israeli Air Force Threatening Migratory Birds.
480 posted on 08/08/2006 11:41:54 AM PDT by dmartin (Who Dares Wins)
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