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Israel responded to an unprovoked attack by Hizbullah, right? Wrong
guardian.co.uk ^ | 8/7/06 | George Monbiot

Posted on 08/07/2006 5:24:28 PM PDT by GeorgiaDawg32

Whatever we think of Israel's assault on Lebanon, all of us seem to agree about one fact: that it was a response, however disproportionate, to an unprovoked attack by Hizbullah. I repeated this "fact" in my last column, when I wrote that "Hizbullah fired the first shots". This being so, the Israeli government's supporters ask peaceniks like me, what would you have done? It's an important question. But its premise, I have now discovered, is flawed.

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TOPICS: Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aggression; lebanon; monbiot; moonbat
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1 posted on 08/07/2006 5:24:31 PM PDT by GeorgiaDawg32
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To: GeorgiaDawg32

The Hizzie Fits fired the first shots.

The Israelis will fire the last.

That's all I need to know.


2 posted on 08/07/2006 5:27:33 PM PDT by gridlock (The 'Pubbies will pick up two (2) seats in the Senate and four (4) seats in the House in 2006)
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To: GeorgiaDawg32

>>n October 2000, the Israel Defence Forces shot at unarmed Palestinian demonstrators on the border, killing three and wounding 20. In response, Hizbullah crossed the line and kidnapped three Israeli soldiers.<<


This seems to be the core of their claim. A response 6 years later means Hezbollah didn't really start this current battle.


3 posted on 08/07/2006 5:29:35 PM PDT by gondramB (Never appeal to an enemy's better nature, he might not have one. Self interest yields more leverage)
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To: GeorgiaDawg32

Forgot the (BARF) warning....


4 posted on 08/07/2006 5:29:37 PM PDT by Uriah_lost (http://www.wingercomics.com/d/20051205.html)
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To: GeorgiaDawg32

Israel unilaterally ceased firing and was attacked anyways. The "who shot first" crap is meaningless. What is important is whether Hizbolla will cease firingand return control back over to Lebanon gov't.


5 posted on 08/07/2006 5:30:00 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: Uriah_lost

I know..I'm sorry but my fingers were movin fast..


6 posted on 08/07/2006 5:30:23 PM PDT by GeorgiaDawg32 (I'm a Patriot Guard Rider..www.patriotguard.org for info)
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To: GeorgiaDawg32
Consider the source. Only an insanely anti-American propagandist like George Monbiot would consider a six-year-old incident a casus belli. This one's stretched tighter than Nancy Pelosi's face.
7 posted on 08/07/2006 5:32:19 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: gridlock
It is true that Hizbullah had been building up munitions close to the border, as its current rocket attacks show. But so had Israel.

And thus Hizbullah is given status equivalent to a sovereign state by the moonbat left.

8 posted on 08/07/2006 5:33:12 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: GeorgiaDawg32
Israel responded to an unprovoked attack by Hizbullah, right? Wrong

Even if so (and I doubt it), at this point, I'm having trouble giving a damn.

9 posted on 08/07/2006 5:33:55 PM PDT by RichInOC (KATZ: HOW ARE YOU GENTLEMEN!! DESTRUCTION ARE ON THE WAY TO YOU. HA HA HA HA....)
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To: GeorgiaDawg32
Monbiot = Moonbat.
10 posted on 08/07/2006 5:35:08 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: GeorgiaDawg32

This is why we have wars. Some issues can't be settled any other way. This writer spends perfectly good cyber-ink trying to prove that Israel is at fault for Hezbollah attacks.

When you can no longer talk to your enemies, when there is no common ground for discussion and they keep sending missiles over the line, you go and get them.

The writer particularly seems bothered by the fact that Israel planned this military operation before executing it. It doesn't bother him that Hezbollah has apparently also prepared for this day for, what, a decade now.


11 posted on 08/07/2006 5:36:08 PM PDT by marron
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To: GeorgiaDawg32

This guy is a seriously brain damaged POS. Yes - I read his entire essay. Europe is sick the same way this man is sick


12 posted on 08/07/2006 5:36:42 PM PDT by dennisw (Confucius say man who go through turnstile sideways going to Bangkok)
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To: gondramB
The October 2000 Lebanon abduction

On October 7, 2000 three Israeli combat engineering soldiers were kidnapped by Hezbollah from the Shebaa Farms, in the Golan Heights. It is also claimed by Lebanon although the UN disputes this. The soldiers, Beni Avraham, Adi Avitan and Omar Sawaed, suffered fatal injuries during their abduction. Their bodies were retrieved in 2004 at a prisoner swap deal with Hezbollah.

A series of accusations were made against the United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon (UNIFIL) by press and partisan web sites for having cooperated with the abduction. Those accusations stem from a video, whose existence was originally denied by U.N. officials, recorded by Indian peacekeepers one day after the abduction. The video, which the U.N. agreed to provide to Israeli officials in June 2001 with civilian faces blurred, showed abandoned vehicles with fake U.N. license plates and uniforms, and Hezbollah supporters intercepting U.N. efforts to retrieve the vehicles. A U.N. investigation also found no evidence to support accusations of peacekeepers involvement in the abduction. [1] Although the bereaved families met with Kofi Annan, they refused to accept the UN version. On September 2004, the bereaved families announced their intention to sue the UN, Hezbollah, Iran, Syria and Lebanon for their parts in the abduction. [2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_Engineering_Corps#The_October_2000_Lebanon_abduction

By the way, those "unarmed Palestinians were trying to forceably cross into Israel at the time.

http://www.un.org/Depts/dpko/missions/unifil/background.html

13 posted on 08/07/2006 5:37:57 PM PDT by Smedley
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To: Smedley

>>The October 2000 Lebanon abduction

On October 7, 2000 three Israeli combat engineering soldiers were kidnapped by Hezbollah from the Shebaa Farms, in the Golan Heights. It is also claimed by Lebanon although the UN disputes this. The soldiers, Beni Avraham, Adi Avitan and Omar Sawaed, suffered fatal injuries during their abduction. Their bodies were retrieved in 2004 at a prisoner swap deal with Hezbollah. <<

But that's not what triggered this current Isreali response...


14 posted on 08/07/2006 5:39:50 PM PDT by gondramB (Never appeal to an enemy's better nature, he might not have one. Self interest yields more leverage)
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To: gondramB
The real Hizb'Allah.
Read about these feral critters:

One incident we encountered during our visit to Israel last year illustrates this sad fact. In January 2005, Hezbollah planted five camouflaged “improvised explosive devices” (IEDs), inches on the Israeli side of the border near Zarit, 15 mountainous miles inland from the Mediterranean coast.  The Israeli Defense Force (IDF) detected these IEDs and, following procedure, notified UNIFIL. A French UNIFIL engineer duly certified that the devices were indeed IEDs, then “requested” that Hezbollah remove them. Hezbollah, not denying it had planted them, flatly refused, stating that since the mines were (just barely) inside the “Zionist” border, it was up to the “Zionists” to remove them. So the IDF sent in a large armored bulldozer to carry the mines off for disposal. This task required making a sharp 90-degree right turn from an Israeli road onto the narrow border trail where the IEDs were located. Making this sharp right turn, the left front corner of the bulldozer inevitably occupied, for a couple of seconds, about a meter of land on the Lebanese side. During those seconds a Hezbollah fighter directed an anti-tank missile at the narrow, unguarded windshield of the bulldozer. The pinpoint strike, which our Israeli sources have admitted required extraordinary training and skill, killed the bulldozer’s driver, Sgt. Maj. Jan Rotzanski, a 21-year-old Russian immigrant from Herzliya. The cynical cruelty of this murder, which Hezbollah proceeded to widely celebrate across Lebanon, speaks volumes not only about Hezbollah, but also about UNIFIL.

 LINK

15 posted on 08/07/2006 5:40:03 PM PDT by dennisw (Confucius say man who go through turnstile sideways going to Bangkok)
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To: GeorgiaDawg32

I know your posts well enough to know you weren't supporting this position, many others are likely to tear into you....maybe I should have just said, "INCOMING!!" hehe


16 posted on 08/07/2006 5:40:52 PM PDT by Uriah_lost (http://www.wingercomics.com/d/20051205.html)
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To: GeorgiaDawg32; All
Calling on the great minds of FR,who originally came up with the disproportionate response bs?
17 posted on 08/07/2006 5:41:00 PM PDT by mdittmar (May God watch over those who serve,and have served, to keep us free.)
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To: marron
Israel planned this military operation before executing it

Any military should plan for ALL situations they think might arise.

18 posted on 08/07/2006 5:42:08 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: colorado tanker

Israel gets it. They are in a battle for their survival. The Arab world in general and Hezbollah, Hamas, Syria, and Iran specifically are engaged in an concerted effort to destroy Israel and all of its inhabitants (including the Arab ones). They will be satisfied with nothing less, and will not stop until they have been completely and utterly defeated.

This moonbat and others of his ilk clearly do not. They think that Madeline Albright style diplomacy will produce "peace". This approach can only produce paper, there can be no peace without the defeat of radical Islam. Their defeat much be complete and thorough, everyone on the planet, especially the Arabs and the Persians must understand and accept their defeat. Only then will there be peace. All else is but a chimera.

George Bush, like the Israelis, understands this. The Democrats do not, and never will. If they are returned to power, we are bound for defeat. And it will be a complete defeat, not just a tactical setback on the way to a strategic Cold War victory that Vietnam proved to be.


19 posted on 08/07/2006 5:44:11 PM PDT by centurion316 (Democrats - Supporting Al Qaida Worldwide)
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To: RichInOC

Yeah, I'm always somewhat bemused by leftists' attempts to find some kind of technicality to justify the enemy and damn the US - no WMD in Iraq being the top of the list but by no means the only one. I never gave a crap about this or that "reason" for waging war on these bastards wherever we find them - 9/11 was all the reason we'll ever need.


20 posted on 08/07/2006 5:44:24 PM PDT by Argus
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