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The State As A Rootless Transient (Mark Steyn On Israeli Jews As The Pepe Le Pew Of Mankind Alert)
Jerusalem Post ^ | 08/07/06 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 08/06/2006 6:23:12 PM PDT by goldstategop

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To: Mr Ramsbotham

Great poem.


21 posted on 08/06/2006 7:53:44 PM PDT by madison10
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

Did you write the poem, Mr. Ramsbotham? I cannot find references to it elsewhere.


22 posted on 08/06/2006 8:02:24 PM PDT by madison10
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To: expatpat
Here's the website (?) where the poem is...there are more. Douglas Oswell is the author apparently. Title of poems: The Prophet's Lament
23 posted on 08/06/2006 8:07:14 PM PDT by madison10
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To: prov1813man

If you are raised by a Jewish mother, you grow up guilty.


24 posted on 08/06/2006 8:08:16 PM PDT by MainFrame65
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To: goldstategop
This much is true: Israel is a besieged outpost of Western Civilization, and if that outpost falls, the rest of Western Civilization will be besieged next. The sooner Europeans figure that out, the safer they will be - if it is not already too late.
25 posted on 08/06/2006 8:08:27 PM PDT by Malesherbes
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To: Civ

a sign of the changing times http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1678135/posts


26 posted on 08/06/2006 8:19:28 PM PDT by xp38
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To: goldstategop

Excellent article!


27 posted on 08/06/2006 8:36:57 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: goldstategop

Mark Steyn lays it on the line, as always.


28 posted on 08/06/2006 8:49:24 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (HaGedolim tzerikhim limshol--`AKHSHAYV!)
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To: prov1813man

Dennis Prager has written on this. See Jewish World Review. But there is more to it. Jews attend the "Best Universities"; That's the story right there. I was fortunate enough to have William Kristol as a professor for 2 seminars as a senior at Penn. Still, all History, Poli Sci. and Econ. majors, even Wharton, were trained to graduate as communists, and only a few of us have filtered it out since.


29 posted on 08/06/2006 9:43:46 PM PDT by jschwartz
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To: prov1813man
Why are American Jews predominantly democrat/liberal when the American right in general and President Bush in particular are the best friends Israel has ever had ?

If I may be so bold to answer your question from my perspective, Jews see politics as separate from friendship. Their politics are based not on who is their friend, but on what they believe in. The are liberal primarily because they believe in freedom over state control as the state is the one who leads the way in pogroms of Jewish mass extinction.

Thats my guess, from living with them for years...

30 posted on 08/06/2006 9:51:02 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: caspera

What few Jews realize is that the Religious Right are as misrepresented by the media as the Jews. The real Christian has always been the friend of the Jews. It took the internet to break the bonds of the main stream medias lies about both the Jews and Christianity.


31 posted on 08/06/2006 9:54:54 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: madison10; expatpat

Thanks; I wrote that many years ago, after reading Josephus's "The Jewish War" for the first time. It's part of a longer piece I called "The Prophet's Lament." Somehow it just seems appropriate in the present circumstances.


32 posted on 08/07/2006 12:29:56 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Lurker

If it is the letter I am thinking of it is posted on his website.


33 posted on 08/07/2006 1:43:38 AM PDT by Cdnexpat
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

Hi,
Your poem reminded me of an old neighbor of mine.
She was an Imigrant from Russia. Tashkent.
She was once lamenting that in Russia she was not Russian, but a 'Jew'. And then, after coming to Brooklyn, NY she again felt outside of the affluent jewish community: She said here I'm not a 'Jew', but a 'Russian'.


34 posted on 08/07/2006 3:19:23 AM PDT by Sarah
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35 posted on 08/07/2006 5:09:50 AM PDT by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn't do!)
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To: goldstategop

It's a very strange feeling to read 19th century novels and travelogues and recognize the old psychoses currently reemerging in even more preposterous forms.

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Zechariah 12:2 Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem.

Zec 12:3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though ALL the people of the EARTH be gathered together AGAINST IT.


36 posted on 08/07/2006 5:33:45 AM PDT by Esther Ruth (Behold, he that keepeth Israel shall neither slumber nor sleep. The LORD is thy keeper!)
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To: TChad
>> Some American Jews see the religious right as Jew-hating fanatics.<<

So, isn't that contraintuitive, since Evangelical Christians are the most enthusiatic supporters of Israel?

37 posted on 08/07/2006 6:01:54 AM PDT by doberville
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To: TChad
Some American Jews see the religious right as Jew-hating fanatics

It's more likely that they depise the religious right because it so strongly embraces what is, essentially, the ultimate Jewish heresy: Christianity. It is the religious bigotry of such Jews, not their fear, that fuels their hatred. The religious right is the Christian group that is most sympathetic in its views regarding Jews in a religous sense to be found in America today.

To the extent that fundamentalist Christians and Jews are at odds, it is because they clash on important social political views: on matters such as abortion, gay rights, capital punishment, second amendment rights, and church and state separation. But again, most of these matters are really political at their core and trace more to the differences between the urban and provincial social backgrounds of the contending groups than they do to religious factors.

Historically, American Jews felt alienated from the Republican Party not because that is where the Christian fundamentalists were found (it was not). Rather, it was because country club establishment Republicans, the party of the Rockefellers and Fords, were infected with a strong strain of anti-semitism and worked hard to exclude Jews, especially successful Jews, socially and professionally.

38 posted on 08/07/2006 6:02:24 AM PDT by JCEccles
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To: prov1813man
Why are American Jews predominantly democrat/liberal when the American right in general and President Bush in particular are the best friends Israel has ever had ?

This question was given to Mark Levin on his radio program. My apologies to the Great One if I do not state his answer as well as he, but basically Mark said that they are Liberals first, and Jews second. In other words, they worship at the altar of Liberalism, not Judaism.

To that I might add an observation given to me by one of my college Sociology professors (a good professor, as I recall): Judaism is not merely a religion. It is both a religion and an ethnicity. There are Jews (ethnic) who are, per se, not Jewish (religious). They may not have stepped into a Synagogue in 40 years. Can they be portrayed by the media as "Jews"? Of course. But they are not religious. These Jews probably feel much more at home with Liberalism than with their "co-religionists."

39 posted on 08/07/2006 6:17:01 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (Freedom isn't free, but the men and women of the military will pay most of your share)
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To: JCEccles
"Rather, it was because country club establishment Republicans, the party of the Rockefellers and Fords, were infected with a strong strain of anti-semitism and worked hard to exclude Jews, especially successful Jews, socially and professionally."

- This was true right up to the 1950's when this "segregation", especially amongst society's elites and their institutions began to break down and admit Jews.
Now, in some respects, the situation has almost reversed itself. One has only to watch the credits role at the end of many made for TV programs and virtually every movie out of Hollywood to see the predominance of Jewish names in virtually every key role from producers, directors to writers and actors.
When it comes to the entertainment industry, the Jews have become the Rockefellers and Fords of the 21st. century.
40 posted on 08/07/2006 6:35:03 AM PDT by finnigan2
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