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Researchers Say Socialization No Longer an ''Issue''
Christian Post ^ | 5-26-05 | Marion Kim

Posted on 08/06/2006 3:22:26 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat

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To: FLAMING DEATH

As I said, it depresses me to even think about it, much less write about it.


101 posted on 08/06/2006 6:28:27 PM PDT by Ironclad (O Tempora! O Mores!)
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To: Ironclad

I believe there is more than some truth in your observations. I don't agree with the socialization necessarily, since that is such an individual thing anyway. There are antisocial kids, shy kids, poor communicators in public schools too. I do think they tend to be very smart, because they are not distracted by the types of things that happen in the typical schools. However, I remain cautiously optimistic. Currently, I know several families with homeschooled children. I used to think it was the best way to go, and in some instances it may still be, but (and this is a big but), I am starting to see a trend in many of these kids.... they seem to be a bit odd. I can't put my finger on it though. Odd, eccentric, marching to the beat of their own drummer, call it what you will, but a lot of them are just plain weird. One family's daughter (and this is one of the younger examples) has a 6 year old who is extremely brilliant - she is reading on at least a 5th grade level, but she's actually arrogant. She thinks she's smarter than the adults and she acts condescending toward her grandmother, who is my friend.

Anyway, just my two cents.


102 posted on 08/06/2006 6:35:03 PM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: Ironclad

Based on my personal experience with five nieces and nephews who are being public schooled, this article is ________ I don't know what's going to become of them when they get out into the real world. I view public schooling as an insanely risky experiment on the kids. They might as well be growing-up in a gang on a porn movie set.


103 posted on 08/06/2006 6:35:03 PM PDT by kpp_kpp
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To: Ironclad

Oops. My reply sounds like the six year old has a daughter; hope you can make sense of it. Guess proofing is a good thing.


104 posted on 08/06/2006 6:37:23 PM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: Paved Paradise

"lot of them are just plain weird"

I remember going to public school and of course there was no one there that I would call just plain weird...

well...

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the stereotyping that goes on for homeschoolers is just incredible... we have non-christian, liberal, democrat homeschooling friends that our sons do activities with. in our group of 80-100 families, yes, i know some kids i'd call wierd, and arrogent, and... etc.


105 posted on 08/06/2006 6:40:37 PM PDT by kpp_kpp
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To: Paved Paradise

Bless you. There it is. "[A] bit odd," might be on the optimistic side of things. The problem is that parents who home school aren't going to accept that that might be the case. And relatives are naturally going to be reluctant to point such things out.


106 posted on 08/06/2006 6:48:38 PM PDT by Ironclad (O Tempora! O Mores!)
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To: kpp_kpp

My response is not to imply that one will not find weird, arrogant, mean, fill in the blank for any adjective you wish, kids in a public, or parochial for that matter, HS, only to make a point that homeschooling doesn't insure people that their kids are any better. They might be more indoctrinated with the beliefs of the family and better able to withstand assaults on those beliefs, but I have too many examples from many different families, which include children of all ages, so I think it's a pretty good cohort. Again, every child is individual. Homeschooling isn't the end-all, be-all. I used to think that way but no longer do; again, because of some of the ways I've seen these kids turn out.


107 posted on 08/06/2006 6:48:45 PM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: durasell; weegee
I respect that but, in order to advance on a personal basis, we have to acknowledge advancing technologies and it's power over the publics' perception of itself. You are admirable for deflecting the mostly-wasteful influence of television but are inversely lamed by fellow citizens flinging references to it and finding you as alien as captured enemies not knowing anything about the World Series during WWII.

Don't feel I'm criticizing you for something I'm not subject to: the recent trend in television (on the major networks) are trashy and cheap soap-operatic "reality" series that put common people lusting for fame through humiliating hoops and travails for high ratings with low overhead. I can't watch that LCD garbage. It's a BAD THING.

Inversely, that trend has made me appreciate the traditional fiction writers getting their messages across more than ever. From the old Twilight Zone to todays' few remaining slots for shows where creative thinking is allowed with a decent budget (most financed through non-traditional means), quality stories are still available for viewers who scan their options diligently.

But I'm still adamant that rap equals crap.
108 posted on 08/06/2006 6:56:46 PM PDT by NewRomeTacitus
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To: SauronOfMordor

Awed. Your children are blessed and will help shape the future in a positive way through your efforts. That's the definition of contributive legacy.


109 posted on 08/06/2006 7:05:37 PM PDT by NewRomeTacitus
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To: brytlea
Anyone who has spent any time around teenagers who have been "socialized" in our public schools, wouldn't wish such "socialization" on their worst enemies. We home-schooled our daughter from third grade until she was fifteen, at which point she attended the local community college. She graduated from Rice University with a degree in Chemical Engineering on May 13th and is now gainfully employed. I couldn't imagine having a sweeter, smarter, or better behaved daughter than the one I have.
111 posted on 08/06/2006 7:14:51 PM PDT by Ninian Dryhope ("Bush lied, people dyed. Their fingers." The inestimable Mark Steyn)
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To: NewRomeTacitus

I do watch some TV, mostly flipping through the channels. However, over recent years I become convinced that TV has turned from benign into something destructive.

This stems from the fact that many children simply do not know how to watch TV. They don't understand the purpose of the medium or how it operates. That is to say, they accept what they see at face value.


112 posted on 08/06/2006 7:15:55 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: Ironclad
"I view home schooling as an insanely risky experiment on the kids."

You are either prone to hyperbole or you are an idiot.
113 posted on 08/06/2006 7:16:57 PM PDT by Ninian Dryhope ("Bush lied, people dyed. Their fingers." The inestimable Mark Steyn)
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To: Ninian Dryhope; Ironclad

You are either prone to hyperbole or you are an idiot.




In consider myself a member of that elite group of idiots prone to hyperbole! We are a monstrously influential minority!


114 posted on 08/06/2006 7:19:26 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: dalereed
You have suffered many disappointments, haven't you?
115 posted on 08/06/2006 7:19:26 PM PDT by Ninian Dryhope ("Bush lied, people dyed. Their fingers." The inestimable Mark Steyn)
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To: Ironclad
Based on my personal experience with five nieces and nephews who are being home schooled, this article is dead wrong.

Anecdotal "evidence" is routinely discounted by discerning observers, and for good reason. A well-constructed empirical study allows for generalization within given parameters, including exceptions. An anecdote contributes nothing useful, in itself, by comparison.

The "socialization" issue has always been recognized as a red herring raised by the public school lobby, (not that exceptions cannot occur.)

116 posted on 08/06/2006 7:27:56 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: hinckley buzzard

What about idiot parents? Most of the parents I meet today I wouldn't trust with an ant farm.


117 posted on 08/06/2006 7:29:56 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: Ninian Dryhope

Not a lot, the biggest one was when I totaled my airplane!


118 posted on 08/06/2006 7:30:19 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: durasell

You may be onto something there, as liberal leaning indoctrination courses are increasingly dependent on flashy "multimedia" sources to best head off any independent thinking by our impressionable youth.

But hey; I spent five years in a basement with an encyclopedia set and a shelf of classic literature while finding no one (children my age nor teachers) knew what the hell I was talking about. Perhaps my ability to glean the few positive aspects of mass media, because of that separation during a critical developmental period, disqualifies me from fairly criticizing it.


119 posted on 08/06/2006 7:35:29 PM PDT by NewRomeTacitus
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To: NewRomeTacitus

Q: What does television sell? What product?


120 posted on 08/06/2006 7:36:50 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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