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To: bubman

''You are correct in that you as a german and no doubt all who were born after the fact and including those germans who faught against the cancer of nazism are not responsible for what happened.''
I’m glad you made this point clear. However, there are still posters around, who would disagree here.
''…but if the world has finally turned the page and forgiven the german people for crimes that were committed on countless. The verdict is still out. ''
I don’t understand this point. What do you want to forgive the current generation , your own words - who are not responsible for what happened ? My impression - as a German, who has been working and living in some Anglo-countries – the hostility towards Germans in these countries is increasing. I still remember times in England, when you could discuss issues like this in a more balanced way (In those times it was also unthinkable, that German exchange students were beaten up in London as it happened just recently etc).
Germany has successfully established a good and friendly relationship with the French, because politicians in both countries realised after WW II that something had to be done about this French/German eternal enemy issue (''Erbfeind'' in German). And that has happened with many countries in Europe. When you take to people in theses countries – even the ones who had to suffer heavily under Nazi Germany's rule, they often remind you, that Stalin for example was not better, may be even worse. Astonishingly, there seems to be a more balanced view about this subject than in Anglo countries..
Hence I believe this verdict of the world is more an Anglo issue. Why? Because it is so wonderful to be able to claim moral higher grounds forever without even having to look at their own( minor of course!!) sins?
Or is it just an ongoing Anglo/German rivalry/competition, IMHO the real cause that triggered WW I ?
I believe we have quite a bit of hypocrisy here.
''Germans have rebuilt their society because there was half a million foreign soldiers stationed on german soil for the last 60 yrs. When was the last time germans fought for freedom and democracy anywhere''
That's true and we are thankful for that. But there were another half million German soldiers who stood their ground for democracy and freedom in - at that time - Western Europe,too.
''Anyhow Europe will be an Islamo wasteland in 50 yrs.''
I am pretty confident that won’t happen in most European countries.


61 posted on 08/05/2006 5:54:52 AM PDT by skraut (Sauerkraut forever)
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To: skraut

Ouch!
take = talk


63 posted on 08/05/2006 6:03:25 AM PDT by skraut
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