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To: ModelBreaker

>Ummm, no ... my concern is for little guys (i.e. K-6) who are stuck in a system that continually implicitly and explicitly runs contrary to their wiring them.<

Well, my delusions are rooted in real world observations of well, inept men still getting ahead because they are men, and being told, to my face, that women don't need raises because some male (father or husband) is supporting them.

Harridan feminists who want all the advantages without doing the work make me crazy, too. I have NO use for them. But...underlying all of these tears for the poor, poor boys, who WILL be hired before better qualified women and who WILL go farther doing less than passed-over women, is a thread of misogyny.

I hear a lot of stories about women advanced beyond their capabilities, but I've reported to a lot of men who had no business running anything, in terms of training, character, and experience, and only one flako female who actually was technically competent, but personally made everyone around her crazy.

A lot of those women in college are wasting their time, because they're not going to get hired because less qualified men will always be hired first, on balance, unless a female is needed for display purposes.

The truth is, we cannot afford to throw away any talent.


138 posted on 08/03/2006 5:46:14 PM PDT by RSteyn
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To: RSteyn
Well, my delusions are rooted in real world observations of well, inept men still getting ahead because they are men, and being told, to my face, that women don't need raises because some male (father or husband) is supporting them. . . . A lot of those women in college are wasting their time, because they're not going to get hired because less qualified men will always be hired first, on balance, unless a female is needed for display purposes. The truth is, we cannot afford to throw away any talent.

Read the book. Your view of what is going on in the education system may once have been the real world. It is no longer. Christina Hoff-Sommers "The War Against Boys." The stats and information presented are chilling and compelling.

It is no longer an attempt to help girls, who today succeed in the education system today at a far greater rate than boys by any measuring stick you can use. It is an attempt to push boys down and make them fail and to make them start behaving like girls. If you think my previous sentance is a good idea for public policy, then don't read the book. It won't convince you.

It's the principal reason we homeschool our boy. I don't want to let him anywhere near the education establishment.

Interestingly, a recent study found a persistent gap at virtually every grade level between boys and girl--this applied across public and private schools. In one subject, for one year out of 12, the boys were equal. The only case for which that is NOT true is homeschoolers (and the homeschool girls did at least as well as their public or private school compatriots).

What does that tell you about the education establishment's treatment of boys?

Finally, I agree "we should not throw away any of our talest." I would suggest that is exactly what we are doing. We are making sure that half of our population is coming out of school poorly educated and screwed up. We are doing that to satisfy the anger of women who make decisions about how to educate our children who resent men for good or bad reasons. Bottom line, you are talking about a lot of middle aged women working out their revenge fantasies on 3rd grade boys. It sucks.

144 posted on 08/03/2006 6:24:32 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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