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Court Nixes Verdict Against Beer Vendor
Washington Times ^ | 8-3-06 | BETH DeFALCO

Posted on 08/03/2006 11:38:33 AM PDT by JZelle

TRENTON, N.J. (AP) -- An appeals court on Thursday overturned a landmark $105 million verdict against a stadium vendor that sold beer to a drunken fan who later paralyzed a girl in an auto wreck.

(Excerpt) Read more at ap.washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aramark; beer; dui; dwi; lawsuit; nfl; nygiants
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1 posted on 08/03/2006 11:38:34 AM PDT by JZelle
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To: JZelle
How totally not fair.
What is the court trying to do make the drunk responsible for his actions?
2 posted on 08/03/2006 11:41:19 AM PDT by ASA Vet (3.03)
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To: JZelle
The drunk in question went to two separate bars after he left the game and before he crippled that child.

But the John Edwards-style attorney didn't sue the bars that served him, nor a friend who gave him some more alcohol that night.

He sued Aramark because he knew that Aramark alone had millions that could be legally extorted.

3 posted on 08/03/2006 11:42:05 AM PDT by wideawake ("The nation which forgets its defenders will itself be forgotten." - Calvin Coolidge)
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To: ASA Vet
What is the court trying to do make the drunk responsible for his actions?

Only if he's got the deepest pockets around!

4 posted on 08/03/2006 11:42:57 AM PDT by Publius6961 (overwhelming force behaving underwhelmingly is a waste.)
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To: JZelle
Good ruling. The vendor had no idea if this person was going to drive later, or if he came with a sober friend. If he were to have asked such a question the drunkard would just lie to get his beer.

Responsibilty falls squarely on the drunkard not the vendor. I can't believe we actually need to debate this.

5 posted on 08/03/2006 11:43:43 AM PDT by bird4four4 (Behead those who suggest Islam is violent!)
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To: JZelle
Good. That original judgement was asinine and scary.

The drunk crippled the girl, not the beer vendor.

6 posted on 08/03/2006 11:44:13 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: wideawake

Much as I hate Aramark ("Setting up vending monopolies to overcharge you" -- they had the contract at my university), the fact that this even got to an appeals court should result in immediate impeachment of the judge in question.


7 posted on 08/03/2006 11:45:46 AM PDT by AmishDude (The Constitution: It ain't long, it ain't complicated and it don't take a genius to figure it out.)
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To: dead

Don't most stadiums quit selling beer after the 3rd quarter anyway?


8 posted on 08/03/2006 11:45:57 AM PDT by BigTex5
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To: dead

the beer vendor assisted him - you can't expect a drunk person to be able to make a decision to stop - he's drunk after all - so the vendor can't just keep selling him more and more and then say "hey, its not my fault".

there is going to be a new trial here, Aramark will lose again. while the punititive portion of the damages are too high and not warranted, the compensatory part is.


9 posted on 08/03/2006 11:46:33 AM PDT by oceanview
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10 posted on 08/03/2006 11:48:11 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: BigTex5

it should not be sold throughout the entire game.

I've was at Giants stadium a few years ago, the number of people who are VISIBILY drunk, getting into their cars and leaving the parking lot - is unbelievable.


11 posted on 08/03/2006 11:48:42 AM PDT by oceanview
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To: Publius6961

the alternative is - the taxpayers will pay for her care. the guy who injured her had only $200K in insurance.


12 posted on 08/03/2006 11:50:08 AM PDT by oceanview
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To: oceanview
Why not sue the car vendor and the gasoline vendor?

Why not sue the man's parents for birthing him?

The courts have repeatedly ruled that being drunk is no excuse for your criminal actions, despite your attempt to claim otherwise.

13 posted on 08/03/2006 11:54:24 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: dead

the guy is in jail, we aren't talking about the criminal aspect of this case. we are talking about the civil liability.


14 posted on 08/03/2006 11:57:29 AM PDT by oceanview
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To: oceanview
The civil liability lies with the guy who committed the crime.

The fact that he has no money to pay damages should have absolutely no bearing on whether the beer vendor should have to pay the girl's bills. It's completely irrelevant to the liability of the beer vendor.

15 posted on 08/03/2006 12:00:21 PM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: oceanview

"the beer vendor assisted him - you can't expect a drunk person to be able to make a decision to stop"

The rule is can't serve to an "obviously intoxicated person."

There are two ways to know this:

1. Count drinks (possible in a restaurant and SOME bar settings --- not ones with multiple bars)

2. Observation. It is hard to tell when someone is drunk. They could be deaf and slur speech. They could be handicapped. Or they could be an alcoholic who can sit there and look perfectly steady at you and still blow a .25 BAC.

Here, TWO bars served this guy after he left. That means, he got past TWO sets of bouncers (typically cops) whose job it is to keep out drunks. He walked out of the stadium past who-knows-how-many cops whose job it is to arrest publically intoxicated people.

But, no, the college guy wandering the stands with beer should be the gatekeeper.

GMAFB


16 posted on 08/03/2006 12:03:09 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Lezahal)
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To: MeanWestTexan

fine, sue the two bars also.


17 posted on 08/03/2006 12:04:31 PM PDT by oceanview
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and I have been to games there - I didn't see the police approach anyone who appears to be drunk in the parking lot after the game. its like the 55MPH speed limit, there are so many people breaking the law - the police just stopped trying to enforce it.


18 posted on 08/03/2006 12:06:28 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: oceanview
"the beer vendor assisted him - you can't expect a drunk person to be able to make a decision to stop - he's drunk after all - so the vendor can't just keep selling him more and more and then say "hey, its not my fault". "
what the hell are you, a closet socialist? The only person responsibe for this drunks actions is himself.........go back to d.u. and post over there.....
19 posted on 08/03/2006 12:07:16 PM PDT by joe fonebone (Time to bring back tar and feathering.)
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To: oceanview

Let me guess. You're a Baptist and think alcohol is the drink of the Devil.

And Christ didn't create wine at Cana, it was grape juice.

And that last Passover meal --- harvest times and lack of refrigeration ignored --- utilized grape juice, too.

And the Friday night Shabbats were tee-totaling, too, talmud requirements or no.


20 posted on 08/03/2006 12:07:38 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Lezahal)
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