[dennisw]

It's even worse than that! The modern Islamics have failed the Prophet Mohammed. Mohammed defeated the and subjugated the Jews, stole there holy books, and reduced them to dhimni status.

Are you aware that Muslims call Muhammad the perfect man? Whose example they must emulate. This is the linchpin of Islam. To emulate the life of Muhammad. Once I understood this I understood Islam. The problem with Islam is the murderer who founded it

Now these modern Islamics lose one war after another to the Jews, lose Jerusalem, and are humiliated by the shining achievements of Jewish intellectuals and scientists.

Modern Islamics have shown themselves to be unworthy of the Prophet and are desperately trying to take back their perceived place in the world. They just don't have what it takes.

 Well, I do think that Islam needs to be reformed but I have some serious reservations about the extent to which that is possible because Muhammad is considered the perfect man and ultimate role model for Muslims and the problem is that he himself had people assassinated and he ordered the beheading of hundreds of Jews and he financed his exploits by robbing caravans and he took slaves and he said that "war is deceit" So, you know, it's hard to be optimistic."

What is the concept of Muhammad as a "perfect man" (al-insan al-kamil) and the behavior of Muhammad in his 78 military campaigns, including his stated reason for the campaign against the Jews of the Khaybar oasis, and his execution of the Jews of the Bani Qurayza taken prisoner?

[Steve_Seattle]

"Are you aware that Muslims call Muhammad the perfect man? Whose example they must emulate. This is the linchpin of Islam. To emulate the life of Muhammad."

I think this is basically true. And this is the basic difference between Islam and Christianity. Christianity worships a man who died in the service of others, whereas Islam worships (they deny it, but for all practical purposes, they do) a man who took the sword to anyone who refused his message. So young Muslim men, poor or bored or both, who want to be somebody, try to emulate Mohammed the tough guy, Mohammed the slayer of infidels, Mohammed the conqueror.

[schu]

Interesting perspective, likely true. There is a post you have surely seen about the psychology of suicide bombers:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1677195/posts

If all this is true, and I have no doubt, then the ultimate solution to this problem is either:

- complete isolation of Islamic countries

- their total destruction/genocide

- a Marshall plan of reprogramming/undoing the brainwashing after total military defeat.

Optionally we could submit or just learn to live with terrorism. Not a pretty picture.

schu