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To: jumpstart1981
Well I certainly don't advocate helping the child out by chopping it up or pouring acid on it until it's dead. I also don't advocate abortion

Ah, I don't think you understand that the procedure of abortion is performed by the chopping up of (vacuum curettage, and dilatation and curettage (D&C) ) or application of acid to (saline amniocentesis ) the fetus. Educate yourself. Google those terms.

But my belief of when life begins is when it is able to function on it's own outside of the womb. I was born 2 months early, not by abortion but because I was a premature birth. I had to be put into an incubator at 4lbs. I'm glad my mother didn't abort me, but I also beleive that if she absolutely beleived that she didn't want to be a mother, or that she'd be a bad mother, then I support that choice.

Look at your own words. You want to believe that life begins only when it can exist outside of the womb. But you yourself had to be put in an artificial womb for the first two months after your birthday!

Don't you see that it would be wrong for someone - your mother even - to smash that incubator and kill you during those two months? And that if it is wrong then for you- in that external incubator - that it would be equally wrong to smash someone else at that age in a womb? If it's wrong at that age - 2 months premature - then the method by which one should determine something right or wrong has nothing to do with age. After all, more and more exteremly premature babies are able to be saved....

Regarding your overall point that it isn't wrong to kill a baby so long as it can't function outside of a womb, what makes you think a newborn can function even outside of a womb? It can't! It has to rely on parents constant, 24/7/365 attention for the most basic of life's nessecities! To do otherwise is child abuse, and to the sane that's considered a bad thing.

Of course, abortion guru Pete Singer ( the Ida W. Decamp Professor of Bioethics at Princeton University) thinks it's OK to off post-birth children until (by my memory) their first birthday or so.....

See where that outlook gets you? If you apply arbitrary rules to the value of human life, you get arbitrary results.

All humans deserve the right to exist!
- Children resulting from rape and incest included - no matter how "guaranteed miserable" some like you say their life will be.
-Killers and those waging war against us excluded, because they've proven that they don't value our life.

116 posted on 08/02/2006 5:13:07 PM PDT by Yossarian (Everyday, somewhere on the globe, somebody is pushing the frontier of stupidity.)
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To: Yossarian
All humans deserve the right to exist!

Yes, because otherwise you have to assume some form of moral hierarchy. That was soundly rejected in the Emancipation Proclamation and, sadly, was a major factor in the War Between the States.

117 posted on 08/02/2006 5:16:04 PM PDT by Lexinom
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