[RipSawyer]

By the way, I am convinced that trying to prove or disprove the existence of God by reason is and always will be a futile effort.

[hellbender]

"By the way, I am convinced that trying to prove or disprove the existence of God by reason is and always will be a futile effort."\

You may be right. I'm not sure you can prove anything about the world by reason alone. You have to use observation and testing of concepts which you cook up in your brain, or you have to accept the testimony or evidence provided by someone else.

Mathematics is pretty much pure reason, and science could hardly exist without it, but math by itself is not science.

[thomaswest]

Re 197: I am convinced that trying to prove or disprove the existence of God by reason is and always will be a futile effort.

You mean, Catholic scholars, apologeticists, Biblicalists with 100 arguments over 100 centuries haven't convinced you? You mean that Muslim, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist scholars, apologeticists, 'scripturalists' with 100 arguments over 100 centuries haven't convinced you?

You might be a skeptic, or even worse a Unitarian or a Druze.

There are some that say, "your immortal soul is in danger", but actually there is no evidence for this.