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To: marron; Alamo-Girl; hosepipe; xzins; TXnMA; .30Carbine; DaveLoneRanger
The obvious hypocrisy operating here is heart-breaking, marron. Truly it seems the Jews are "the suffering servant of mankind." They pay an everlasting price for their role as the bearers of the Truth of God: To kill Jews is to strike God in the face. This Allah so-called divinity is manifestly Satan in disguise: "By his works shall ye know him."

I'm sorry I can't be more cogent in my response to your ping, dear marron. I am deeply, mortally troubled about breaking events, and haven't yet got a grip on how justly to articulate my thoughts and feelings about them. All I can say is it is very clear to me that the Jews are not the "bad guys" in this piece. And I am sick unto vomiting that the MSM refuses to justly characterize the Jews' position relative to the manifest evil they are trying to confront and defeat. As it turns out, not only for their own survival, but for the survival of Western civilization.

I am extremely disappointed (to say the least) with the help they are getting from the American State Department. As if State and almost all of Europe are justified in thinking Israel is the ultimate target in this war.

The appeasers (and they are legion in the MSM and the American "street") need to come to grips with reality here: The "big bull's eye" is painted on America's back. Israel is just the hors d'oeuvres of what Tehran expects will be an extended and quite sumptuous banquet. (Sorry to mix my metaphors like this.)

Thank you for the ping!

18 posted on 07/31/2006 8:20:22 PM PDT by betty boop (The universe is not only queerer than we suppose, but queerer than we can suppose. -J.B.S. Haldane)
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To: betty boop

I mainly pinged you because it was Hoffer.

I agree with you. This war is a litmus test, and almost every country is failing it. The moral issues couldn't be more clear, and it astounds me, but no longer surprises me, how few people understand it. A goodly number of Americans and Israelis do, but beyond these two countries almost no one, it seems.

And even in these two countries there is almost an irresistable urge to appease the killers of women and children; what were the nineties but a non-stop effort to buy off the killers, which was repaid by non-stop intifada, non-stop suicide attacks on civilians, unending pain as teenagers in pizza parlors, kids on school buses, shoppers sipping their coffee were splattered into bits?

The only thing that finally stopped the carnage was the wall, and Israel was endlessly condemned for the wall.

Now that kamakazi attackers can't get at them, Hamas and Hezbollah have upped the ante, sailing hundreds of missiles into back yards. These are attacks that are guaranteed to hit civilians, but thats not new, every Hamas attack and every Hezbollah attack is aimed at civilians. They have always been aimed at civilians primarily. It is a rare attack that aims at soldiers, their victims are an endless parade of moms and kids.

This war is the necessary outcome of Oslo, and a decade of appeasement. If they stop short of the complete defeat of Hezbollah and Hamas, you can call it a truce, you can call it a cease-fire, anything you want, but the war and the killing will continue. It will only get worse.


21 posted on 07/31/2006 8:52:00 PM PDT by marron
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To: betty boop
Psalm 83 again comes to mind:

1Keep not thou silence, O God: hold not thy peace, and be not still, O God.

2For, lo, thine enemies make a tumult: and they that hate thee have lifted up the head.

3They have taken crafty counsel against thy people, and consulted against thy hidden ones.

4They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance.

5For they have consulted together with one consent: they are confederate against thee:

6The tabernacles of Edom, and the Ishmaelites; of Moab, and the Hagarenes;

7Gebal, and Ammon, and Amalek; the Philistines with the inhabitants of Tyre;

8Assur also is joined with them: they have holpen the children of Lot. Selah.

9Do unto them as unto the Midianites; as to Sisera, as to Jabin, at the brook of Kison:

10Which perished at Endor: they became as dung for the earth.

11Make their nobles like Oreb, and like Zeeb: yea, all their princes as Zebah, and as Zalmunna:

12Who said, Let us take to ourselves the houses of God in possession.

13O my God, make them like a wheel; as the stubble before the wind.

14As the fire burneth a wood, and as the flame setteth the mountains on fire;

15So persecute them with thy tempest, and make them afraid with thy storm.

16Fill their faces with shame; that they may seek thy name, O LORD.

17Let them be confounded and troubled for ever; yea, let them be put to shame, and perish:

18That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.


31 posted on 08/01/2006 5:29:27 AM PDT by .30Carbine
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To: betty boop
The obvious hypocrisy operating here is heart-breaking, marron. Truly it seems the Jews are "the suffering servant of mankind." They pay an everlasting price for their role as the bearers of the Truth of God: To kill Jews is to strike God in the face. This Allah so-called divinity is manifestly Satan in disguise: "By his works shall ye know him."

So very true, dear sister in Christ!

The hatred of the Jews over millennia years is irrational, visceral, obsessive. And they have survived and thrived. How could anyone doubt that God has blessed them and has a purpose for them?

38 posted on 08/01/2006 9:08:20 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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