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The Forgotten Victims
Chronicles Magazine ^ | July 30, 2006 | Scott Richert

Posted on 07/31/2006 1:51:04 PM PDT by NYer

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1 posted on 07/31/2006 1:51:05 PM PDT by NYer
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2 posted on 07/31/2006 1:52:19 PM PDT by NYer
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To: SJackson

Ping!


3 posted on 07/31/2006 1:54:29 PM PDT by NYer
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To: NYer

Waiting for the first "anti-Semite" or "terrorist lover" accusation to come up, unfortunately...


4 posted on 07/31/2006 1:55:29 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Love is the fusion of two souls in one in order to bring about mutual perfection." -S. Terese Andes)
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What is astounding is that so few “conservative” American Catholics realize that the ethnic cleansing of Christians from the Middle East is not, in the long run, in the national interest of either the United States or Israel.

What is astounding is that so many people in the West, Catholics or otherwise, don't understand that the ethnic cleansing of Christians from the world--which is what we are ultimately fighting against in Iraq--is not, in the long run, in the national interest of either the United States or Israel.

5 posted on 07/31/2006 1:56:53 PM PDT by denydenydeny ("Osama... made the mistake of confusing media conventional wisdom with reality" (Mark Steyn))
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To: NYer

Thanks for posting this excellent piece. Too often, American Catholics are either ignorant about our brothers and sisters in the Middle East or are indifferent or hostile to them.


6 posted on 07/31/2006 1:59:53 PM PDT by Thorin ("I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.")
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To: NYer
Stop talking facts. Arabs are Muslims. Arab Christians don't exist. All Arabs are dogs, and when they's shot down, tears must not be shed. What Gen. Sheridan said about American Indians - the only good one is a dead one - is true of Arabs, so let the villages be bombed, let private property be destroyed, let children die. They're Arabs, they deserve it. And don't start on "Arab Americans" in Detroit. They can't be Americans, they're Arabs. Oh, and it's also hateful to talk about Jews the way I'm talking about Arabs. That's anti-Semitic. But it's fine to be anti-Arab.

The foregoing is my distilling of what I read from more than a few hate-Arab-spewing freepers. Some of them even call themselves "Christians". What a laugh. They don't seem to want to help Arab Christians, or convert Muslim Christians. They seem to want them all dead. At least that's my impression from reading posts around here for years.

7 posted on 07/31/2006 2:03:18 PM PDT by churchillbuff
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Okay, I read it again.

I still see no explanation of just how the ethnic cleansing of Christians from the Middle East, which it is undeniable is happening, is caused by American or Israeli policies.

Other than Israel having the gall to exist at all.


8 posted on 07/31/2006 2:04:39 PM PDT by Restorer
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how the ethnic cleansing of Christians from the Middle East, which it is undeniable is happening, is caused by American or Israeli policies. ???

A good example: We toppled a secular government in Iraq (Saddan's)that allowed Christians to worship, and in its place an Islamic Shia government has been established. Christians are being harassed and persecuted, and have left the country in great numbers.

9 posted on 07/31/2006 2:06:43 PM PDT by churchillbuff
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Brevity and clarity is not this guy's strong suit, is it.

I still have no clue who the "forgotten victims" are...

10 posted on 07/31/2006 2:10:07 PM PDT by Publius6961 (overwhelming force behaving underwhelmingly is a waste.)
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How times have changed. Today, the war in Iraq is far less justified, morally or strategically, than the Gulf War was...

That's when my BS meter pegged and I quit reading.

11 posted on 07/31/2006 2:12:36 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I just saved a bunch of money on my car insurance by fleeing the scene of an accident)
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Oh, and it's also hateful to talk about Jews the way I'm talking about Arabs. That's anti-Semitic. But it's fine to be anti-Arab.

I don't recall any Jews passing out sweets and dancing in the streets on 9/11. I don't recall any Jews among the 19 9/11 hijackers.

In case you haven't heard, we are fighting a global war against Islamofascism. Like the fascism of the 1930s and 1940s, Islamofascism comes in 2 major flavors, Sunni and Shia (analagous to Nazi German and Imperial Japanese), with Arabs making up the Sunni component and Persians making up Shia component.

So I have no problem with Americans being anti-Arab or anti-Persian after 9/11. IIRC, there was plenty of anti-Japanese and anti-German sentiment in America after 12/7. Japanese and (some)Germans were rounded up and placed in interment camps. Anti-Japanese and anti-German propaganda abounded, complete with cartoonish ethnic stereotypes that would never pass muster in today's politically correct, post-'long-march-through-the-institutions' world.

Sure, there are some loyal Arab-Americans who love this country more than their heritage, just like there were loyal Japanese during WW2. There was an all-Japanese-American Army unit that was one of the most decorated units of the war that fought in the Italian campaign. I would love to see an analogy of that today - a vocal and loyal group of Arab-Americans that stands up for their country against the Islamofascists. AFAIK, such a group doesn't exist, or if it does, it's not getting the media coverage it deserves.

Let's face it: after the murder of 3000+ Americans and others at the hands of Arab savages, being anti-Arab in America should not be unexpected. IMO, the ball is in the Arab-Americans' court to prove that they're NOT terrorists, and are worthy of being American citizens. It worked once before, and it can work again.

12 posted on 07/31/2006 2:26:32 PM PDT by bassmaner (Hey commies: I am a white male, and I am guilty of NOTHING! Sell your 'white guilt' elsewhere.)
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In case you haven't heard, we are fighting a global war against Islamofascism.

Even if he had heard, it probably wouldn't do any good.

13 posted on 07/31/2006 2:32:11 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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14 posted on 07/31/2006 3:17:07 PM PDT by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn't do!)
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15 posted on 07/31/2006 4:16:56 PM PDT by Coleus (RU-486 Kills babies and their mothers, Bush can stop this as Clinton allowed through executive order)
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The foregoing is my distilling of what I read from more than a few hate-Arab-spewing freepers. Some of them even call themselves "Christians". What a laugh. They don't seem to want to help Arab Christians, or convert Muslim Christians. They seem to want them all dead. At least that's my impression from reading posts around here for years.

Thank you for clarifying the vicious attacks we witness in this forum on a daily basis. It should come as no surprise to you to learn that the Maronite Catholic Patriarch has instructed the clergy and laity in Lebanon to welcome ALL refugees into their homes and communities. And that is precisely what they are doing. One Maronite priest who maintains a web site and blog, has posted pictures of the refugees and talks about how the christians are responding with shelter, water, food and assistance. Following the commandment of our Lord, they are 'evangelizing' through their actions. As Abouna Antonio explains, these Muslims do not know Jesus and are filled with gratitude for the outpouring of comfort and aid.

They seem to want them all dead. At least that's my impression from reading posts around here for years.

I attribute it to ignornace. Truly! We Americans only know a democratic society. We have no historical basis for comparing our 200 years to the thousands of years of persecution, strife and wars experienced by those who live in the Middle East. That is the reason for this thread. Notice the poor response to it vs those threads of a more sensational nature.

Thanks for the ping and commentary.

16 posted on 07/31/2006 5:05:25 PM PDT by NYer
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I still see no explanation of just how the ethnic cleansing of Christians from the Middle East, which it is undeniable is happening, is caused by American or Israeli policies.

A.Pole .... would you be so kind as to post the religion map to this thread ... thank you!

17 posted on 07/31/2006 5:07:10 PM PDT by NYer
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would you be so kind as to post the religion map to this thread

You mean this one?


18 posted on 07/31/2006 5:44:52 PM PDT by A. Pole ("Gay marriage" - Karl Rove's conspiracy to defeat Democrats?)
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To: bassmaner
I don't recall any Jews passing out sweets and dancing in the streets on 9/11.

Hmm, I would not even go into imagining such a "puzzling behavior".

20 posted on 07/31/2006 6:04:53 PM PDT by A. Pole ("Gay marriage" - Karl Rove's conspiracy to defeat Democrats?)
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