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To: juliej; beyond the sea; sinkspur
I think the blood libel argument is post hoc ergo propter hoc as well as bts' scurrilous argument that because the Jews have been persecuted they must have done something to be persecuted.

The fact is that from the destruction of the Temple in 70 AD up until the founding of Israel in 1948 AD, the Jewish people were scattered around the world with no realistic home base. They were a religious minority wherever they were.

For most of history religion and kinship were the source of all meaning for pretty much everybody. One's existence and social value was defined by one's kinship ties and ability to participate in the required rites of the common religion.

Jews were not related to the general populace of any land by physical kinship nor could they participate spiritually in the rites.

People are naturally suspicious of outsiders - it is a gut human reaction to be on your guard around people whose culture and values are not immediately understandable to you.

Add to the outsider status that Jews culturally prized learnedness among their leadership (Talmudic scholarship was a badge of status and authority in the Diaspora) through long centuries where the general populace preferred military prowess in their leadership (early medieval Europe, Islam throughout history).

This emphasis on learning did two things: it gave Jews a decided advantage as society became more complex - Jewish cultural achievement morphed into an important skillset; and it inspired unscrupulous non-Jewish leaders to employ Jews in vitally important but disrespected capacities (tax-farming and banking were not considered polite employments for proper Christian gentlemen, but without these jobs getting done, the great European powers would enver have been so secure and civilized).

Therefore, Jews were viewed as bookish, unmanly outsiders who wielded power and influence disproportionate to their numbers.

This view was not a rational one, but one completely based on resentment and narcissism. Ideas like the blood libel were fleshed out and articulated to create some kind of justifiable rationale for an ultimately irrational phenomenon, dressing up uncharitable hatred as religious zeal.

The final analysis is that the Jews were simultaneously different from everybody else and generally really good at their jobs - and we can see from the class warfare the Democrats drum up every election cycle that a lazy rabble can always be counted upon to hate and fear success and successful people.

402 posted on 08/01/2006 9:12:13 AM PDT by wideawake ("The nation which forgets its defenders will itself be forgotten." - Calvin Coolidge)
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To: wideawake; juliej
think the blood libel argument is post hoc ergo propter hoc as well as bts' scurrilous argument that because the Jews have been persecuted they must have done something to be persecuted.

Hew moron................... I made NO SUCH argument!

I merely asked a question wishing for a serious answer.

Yesterday I posed that SAME question seven times. Five times other posters were kind enough to give me a serious and intelligent answer. It was very good of them and I learned a lot!

You and 'juliej' chose to take the low road, go on the attack and cast aspersions.

Your behavior is what makes some lean toward disdaining Jews.

I just wanted a serious answer. You two need help.

407 posted on 08/01/2006 9:43:58 AM PDT by beyond the sea (The truth exists even when it is ignored.)
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To: wideawake
bts' scurrilous argument

scurrilous -- given to the use of vulgar, coarse, or abusive language; foul-mouthed.

You know where you can stick that word, wideawake. You are stone wrong.

I made no argument........ I asked a serious question ONLY.

By the way, thank you for the history info.

421 posted on 08/01/2006 10:29:24 AM PDT by beyond the sea (The truth exists even when it is ignored.)
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