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`Jessica's Law' up for vote - Prop. 83 further punishes sex offenders
San Gabriel Valley Tribune ^ | Ruby Gonzales

Posted on 07/31/2006 10:21:35 AM PDT by calcowgirl

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1 posted on 07/31/2006 10:21:37 AM PDT by calcowgirl
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To: calcowgirl

I like it but I don't think it will make it through the challenges.

It is the same as a life sentence.

I am being objective here. My prediction is it will get killed in the Courts.


2 posted on 07/31/2006 10:23:18 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (A Conservative will die for individual freedom. A Liberal will kill you for the good of society.)
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To: calcowgirl

I hear people say that laws like this punish 'after they have served their debt to society'. I say the alternative is life in prison. So they can serve life in prison, or be monitored for life.

I think it's questionable in some instances though as a man (or woman for that matter) could be convicted on a he said/she said situation. There is where I'm confused on this.


3 posted on 07/31/2006 10:23:59 AM PDT by sandbar
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Oh yeah, Michael Ledford killed (alledgedly) a woman here in Atlanta last week after raping her.

He was convicted of rape several years back...


4 posted on 07/31/2006 10:24:48 AM PDT by sandbar
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To: calcowgirl
there is not enough punishment.

but like Andrea Yates many will claim they should go free because they are 'crazy'

5 posted on 07/31/2006 10:27:56 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: calcowgirl

Does it include seniors who had sex with their sophomore girlfriends? If so, I don't support it. Sex offenses, like any offense, have to be taken on a case by case basis. What may be appropriate for the local old man who molests children isn't appropriate for Johnny football hero who had a girlfriend two grades behind him.


6 posted on 07/31/2006 10:28:35 AM PDT by mysterio
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Many child molestation charges are brought by vindictive wives in divorce cases, against innocent men. Prosecuters love to have scalps on their belts, especially rapist/molester scalps. These innocent men have already had their lives destroyed, these provisions would make their unwarranted misery that much deeper.


7 posted on 07/31/2006 10:29:39 AM PDT by diogenes ghost
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To: mysterio

It does say "felony."


8 posted on 07/31/2006 10:31:21 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (A Conservative will die for individual freedom. A Liberal will kill you for the good of society.)
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To: calcowgirl

While they're at it, let's start punishing people who vote for letting the creeps out of jail. If you're so dangerous you can't be trusted to live like a civilized person, it means you should be rotting in jail.


9 posted on 07/31/2006 10:32:14 AM PDT by AmericanChef
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To: freedumb2003

Is the statutory scenario I described a felony or a misdemeanor?


10 posted on 07/31/2006 10:35:33 AM PDT by mysterio
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I'm wondering the same thing. I'd love to see some specific statistics about our resident offenders that would be subject to this.

Would a Mary Kay LaTourneau be required to wear a GPS device (and the state incur the cost to monitor her every move)?


11 posted on 07/31/2006 10:36:46 AM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: diogenes ghost

Thank you!

Voices of reason aren't very popular in the USSA anymore.


12 posted on 07/31/2006 10:37:13 AM PDT by AlexandriaDuke (Conservatives want freedom. Republicans want power.)
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To: calcowgirl
If the proposition is approved Nov. 7, felony sex offenders would be fitted with a global positioning system for life.

It's the breadth of the term, "sex offender" that troubles me, never mind that this helps the statists get their human tracking systems perfected.

How about we just keep the criminals in jail, or kill them like we used to do? Oh, but that WORKED.

13 posted on 07/31/2006 10:41:38 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: mysterio
Is the statutory scenario I described a felony or a misdemeanor?

I would like to say misdemeanor but in the hands of an over zealous prosecutor, who knows.

The more I look at this, the worse it looks. The definitions of the crimes are so vague and the evidence requirements so low you could get nailed if you were in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Look at the "kiddie porn" automatic felony. What if some poor schmuck was looking at and downloading stuff on the Internet and it turned out that the "models" were 16 or 17?

Pretty bad law and a knee-jerk reaction one at that.

14 posted on 07/31/2006 10:42:39 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (A Conservative will die for individual freedom. A Liberal will kill you for the good of society.)
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There is that "post-facto"[is that how they call it?] thing. When, and if, the law is changed, only the offenses committed after the change, are processable under the new law.


15 posted on 07/31/2006 10:42:45 AM PDT by GSlob
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To: freedumb2003

If the courts are too dumb to apply it case by case, then it shouldn't pass. And I think the courts are indeed too dumb to apply it case by case.


16 posted on 07/31/2006 10:45:54 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: calcowgirl
I'm against this law!

If the proposition is approved Nov. 7, felony sex offenders would be fitted with a global positioning system for life. This should read "sex offenders would be required to wear a TARGET and it's open season at all times"!!

17 posted on 07/31/2006 10:48:51 AM PDT by Hazcat
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To: mysterio; diogenes ghost
What may be appropriate for the local old man who molests children isn't appropriate for Johnny football hero who had a girlfriend two grades behind him.

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Many child molestation charges are brought by vindictive wives in divorce cases, against innocent men. Prosecuters love to have scalps on their belts, especially rapist/molester scalps. These innocent men have already had their lives destroyed, these provisions would make their unwarranted misery that much deeper.

The above examples happen A LOT and in my opinion do NOT merit the provisions of this bill and for the examples above and ones like them ... I am against this proposition

18 posted on 07/31/2006 10:50:20 AM PDT by clamper1797 (CAPITAL LETTERS SUGGEST SOME IMBALANCE IN THE MIND OF THEIR EMPLOYER.)
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I agree. My son turned 18, while his girlfriend he had for a year was still 2 months shy of her 16th birthday.

He was arrested for 'interfering with child custody' and 'statutory rape' (her mother ASSUMED they were having sex, probably were, but still...). Luckily the DA said the case was ridiculous and dropped it, but it could have went another way. I had to force him to stop seeing her and it is sad. This girl's mother was a loon and she spent alot of time at our house (to get some normalcy I'd reckon given that her mother was a nutcase that spent more time at the bars than at home and left most of the housekeeping/mothering of her little brothers to her 15 year old daughter). But my son not spending life as a sex offender was more important to me.


19 posted on 07/31/2006 10:51:30 AM PDT by sandbar
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To: clamper1797

Yep, see my Post #19 with regards to my son. It DOES happen.


20 posted on 07/31/2006 10:53:17 AM PDT by sandbar
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