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To: 308MBR
"Stop skinning your ignorance by asking such inane questions while alleging you really believe in such fairy tales in a public forum. Much better alternatives can be found in biodiesels for such things we already produce, like cottonseed oil, and coal gasification to make gasoline."

Peer reviewed scientific studies of the problem say differently. Who am I gonna believe, somenone who talks about brewing beer, or a group of engineers??

"Second of all, fuel cells don't create MORE energy than is put into them as a fuel. One device on the planet does that, and it is called a Fast Breeder Nuclear Reactor which is not within the scope of your question. The only advantages fuel cells have over regular old hydrogen tanks are; they weigh much less, can take multiple fuel types for inputs, and are much less likely to make so big of a boom when some soccer mom who hates to drive pilots her minivan into you at an intersection.

The advantage fuel cells have is that they are TWICE AS EFFICIENT in their conversion of fuel to motive force compared to gasoline engines.

"I run my alcohol motors at 210 degrees F water temperature and do not use an oil cooler, yet I have drained enough "jamocha-shake" oil over time to float the QE2, have seen a pile of $150 each connecting rods rusted all over like junk sitting in the weather for years while they were six months old, have had to pull all the spark plugs out and ratchet engines over when they hydraulically locked due to condensed water collecting in the cylinders between hot laps and the heat race, have had many throttles lock wide open due to carburetor icing....top cylinder lubrication problems....40% of the fuel efficiency (hp/lb-hr terms)...I'm through telling my life's story.

See the bold for why you have problems. Car engines run just a bit hotter than 210 deg. F.

"If you knew ANYTHING about Thermodynamics, had a grasp of what BTU/lb content of a fuel does to fuel mileage, or understood the concept of "Latent Heat of Evaporation", you wouldn't ask such things."

PhD--Chemistry. So I understand thermodynamics and "latent heat of vaporization" VERY well.

"If you can tell me how you cold start your methanol fueled daily driver and how you keep the aluminum and steel in the fuel and induction system from producing stalagmite/stalagtite/swiss cheese type corrosion due to constant contact with methanol and its vapors.

By running the engine at a higher temperature than 210 degrees (and long enough for the engine oil to get hotter than that, as well. Methanol (actually the water, because, as I said, methanol is less corrosive than methanol) won't cause corrosion if it is vaporized away.

"I don't guess you want to know the difference between nitromethane and nitropropane, what a light touch of amyl nitrate does to both fuels, or why one shouldn't cook the water off a 20% solution of hydrazine using the kitchen stove while having a beer.

See above comment about my degree in chemistry. I suspect I understand the above better than you do.

65 posted on 08/01/2006 3:48:32 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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To: Wonder Warthog

Sorry about that. I'm no ignoramus about this stuff either.

That being said, most of my experience involves small blocks running on dirt ovals and longer ago in go karts in the days of my early misspent youth. It's really really hard to even get a decent water temperature sometimes in this application, and it can REALLY be a problem when it's a 50 degree night with 95% humidity.

Electronic fuel injection is the only hope for widespread application of methanol in daily transportation. The trouble is with the injectors themselves, as about the only materials (excluding noble metals) having a decent lifespan in constant contact with methanol are the 300 series stainless steels and Teflon. "True" stainless steels are not magnetic, and this presents a real problem for activating the injector pintle via electromagnetic force.

Separating the fuel from the throttle body is essential to stop throttle icing/sticking problems.

Again, sorry for insulting your education and experience. I don't care for it much when it's aimed at me either.


99 posted on 08/03/2006 5:05:31 PM PDT by 308MBR ( "She pulled up her petticoat, and I pulled out for Tulsa!" Abstinence training from Bob Wills.)
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