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To: frankiep
The crux of the matter is that the order was an unlawful one.

Several military and federal courts have ruled that it was a lawful order.

Any civilian court that agreed to hear the case would have to examine the legality of the order itself, which is probably exactly why no court has taken the case; it would open up quite a can of worms, don't you think.

No, I believe that no civilian court has taken up the case because they have no jurisdiction or they have found there is no basis for appeal.

Again, the fact that he disobeyed an order is not being disputed. The court martial only determined that he disobeyed the order and did not take in to consideration that the order was illegal to begin with. Once again, had the military done otherwise it would have opened up a huge can of worms.

Actually they did take that into consideration, and found that New was wrong and that it was a legal order.

SEC. 6....

Read on. "The President shall not be deemed to require the authorization of the Congress to make available to the Security Council on its call in order to take action under article 42 of said Charter and pursuant to such special agreement or agreements the armed forces, facilities, or assistance provided for therein: Provided, That nothing herein contained shall be construed as an authorization to tile President by the Congress to make available to the Security Council for such purpose armed forces, facilities, or assistance in addition to the forces, facilities, and assistance provided for in such special agreement or agreements."

31 posted on 08/01/2006 5:39:43 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

Perhaps it is you who should read on.

UN Charter Chapter VII
Article 42 - Should the Security Council consider that measures provided for in Article 41 would be inadequate or have proved to be inadequate, it may take such action by air, sea, or land forces as may be necessary to maintain or restore international peace and security. Such action may include demonstrations, blockade, and other operations by air, sea, or land forces of Members of the United Nations.

Article 43 - 1) All Members of the United Nations, in order to contribute to the maintenance of international peace and security, undertake to make available to the Security Council, on its call and in accordance with a special agreement or agreements, armed forces, assistance, and facilities, including rights of passage, necessary for the purpose of maintaining international peace and security.

2) Such agreement or agreements shall govern the numbers and types of forces, their degree of readiness and general location, and the nature of the facilities and assistance to be provided.

3) The agreement or agreements shall be negotiated as soon as possible on the initiative of the Security Council. They shall be concluded between the Security Council and Members or between the Security Council and groups of Members and shall be subject to ratification by the signatory states in accordance with their respective constitutional processes.

http://www.un.org/aboutun/charter/chapter7.htm


Now, the UN Participation Act states that any agreements "shall be subject to the approval of the Congress by appropriate Act or joint resolution." Once the approval has been given by Congress, the President, as Commander in Chief, may then send the troops if he wishes. Congressional approval is needed for the special agreement, not for the subsequent implementation of that agreement.

http://www.law.berkeley.edu/faculty/yooj/courses/forrel/reserve/fisher.htm

Congressional approval was never given. New was absolutely right. Since Congress never gave approval to the agreement for US troops to be a part of this UN mission, the order was illegal.


32 posted on 08/01/2006 8:12:47 PM PDT by frankiep (I respect Islamofacists more than the American left - at least they ADMIT that they hate the US.)
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