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To: Shermy

Excellent investigative video on Pallywood:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3330818905742409257


360 posted on 07/30/2006 7:34:55 PM PDT by Tarkus2040 ("The U.S. has changed from a melting pot into a chamber pot." --Michael Savage)
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To: Tarkus2040
Thanks for posting that. I'm watching the end of it now.

A little bit earlier I was reading about Mohammad al-Durrah at Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed_Al_Dura

At the time that "happened" I thought the little boy died by Israeli hands, but heard sometime later it might have been staged. I also remember hearing about the corpse that kept getting back on the stretcher that's seen in the link you posted.

Then there's this from a story about Haditha I posted back in June:

Haditha: Blood Money, Lies and Videotape? http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1642134/posts Excerpt...

Would Muslims lie in order to obtain blood money payments? Some insight comes in this response to the collapse of the British trial posted online by a Baghdad-based US contractor.

I’ve been in Iraq for about 18 months now performing construction management. It is simply not possible for me to exaggerate the massive amounts of lies we wade through every single day. There is no way - absolutely none - to determine facts from bulls*** from these people.

To be fair to individual Iraqis, lying and deception is an integral part of their culture. It is not even considered lying to them; it is more akin to being clever - like keeping your cards close to your chest. And they don’t just lie to westerners. They believe that appearances--saving face--are of paramount importance. They lie to each other all the time about anything in order to leverage others on a deal or manipulate an outcome of some sort or cover up some major or minor embarrassment. It’s just how they do things, period.

I’m not trying to disparage them here. I get along great with a lot of them. But even among those that I like, if something happens I’ll get 50 wildly different stories, every time. There’s no comparison to it in any other part of the world where I’ve worked. The lying is ubiquitous and constant.

Obviously in the case of these soldiers, the “witnesses” were lying with malice for profit - saving face had nothing to do with it.

But every Westerner here has been taken totally by surprise by the lies upon lies upon BS and lies. It makes it impossible to form any agreements, impossible to plan anything, and impossible to investigate anything….

Remember this every time you see news reports where Iraqi “witnesses” say that American planes killed a bunch of civilians somewhere…. First, those people are living under the threat of terrorists in their midst - what do you think they are going to say when a western camera is thrust into their face, nice shot America! Death to the terrorists! They’d be dead in 5 minutes.

It drives those of us who work closely with the Iraqis absolutely mad. It makes me sick and alarmed to think of any westerner being brought up on charges of any kind based strictly on the words of an Arab. I’m sure the prosecutors were informed by field officers and others about the Iraqi propensity to lie about everything all the time. Shame on them (the British Ministry of Defense) for going forward without any other evidence.

It's like the boy that cried, "Wolf!" or Jesse Jackson crying, "Racism". I'm not saying that some children didn't die but I don't trust the "facts" at first blush.

411 posted on 07/31/2006 1:19:02 AM PDT by beaversmom
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