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To: Dimensio
To think that it's not possible that an entity more intelligent and powerful than they, actually put humanity on this earth, shows what most of us already know.

Who has stated that such a thing is not possible? Please provide specific quotations.

Uh, Darwin, I believe.

30 posted on 07/30/2006 3:43:42 PM PDT by TruthBeforeAll (Christ gave and died. Mohammed took and killed.)
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To: TruthBeforeAll
Uh, Darwin, I believe.

Please reference a quote from Darwin wherein he expresses such sentiment.
35 posted on 07/30/2006 4:01:51 PM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: TruthBeforeAll; Dimensio
To think that it's not possible that an entity more intelligent and powerful than they, actually put humanity on this earth, shows what most of us already know.

Who has stated that such a thing is not possible? Please provide specific quotations.

Uh, Darwin, I believe.

Bzzzzzzzzzzzt! Wrong.

Final paragraph of the Origin of Species (6th and final edition):

It is interesting to contemplate a tangled bank, clothed with many plants of many kinds, with birds singing on the bushes, with various insects flitting about, and with worms crawling through the damp earth, and to reflect that these elaborately constructed forms, so different from each other, and dependent upon each other in so complex a manner, have all been produced by laws acting around us. These laws, taken in the largest sense, being Growth with reproduction; Inheritance which is almost implied by reproduction; Variability from the indirect and direct action of the conditions of life, and from use and disuse; a Ratio of Increase so high as to lead to a Struggle for Life, and as a consequence to Natural Selection, entailing Divergence of Character and the Extinction of less improved forms. Thus, from the war of nature, from famine and death, the most exalted object which we are capable of conceiving, namely, the production of the higher animals, directly follows. There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed by the Creator into a few forms or into one; and that, whilst this planet has gone circling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being evolved.

And from Darwin's Autobiography, and very frank and reflective work originally written by Darwin purely for private consumption by his family:

Another source of conviction in the existance of God connected with the reason and not the feelings, impresses me as having much more weight. This follows from the extreme difficulty or rather impossibility of conceiving this immense and wonderful universe, including man with his capability of looking far backwards and far into futurity, as the result of blind chance or necessity. When thus reflecting I feel compelled to look at a first cause having an intelliegent mind in some degree analogous to that of man; and I deserve to be called a theist.

This conclusion was strong in my mind about the time, as far I can remember, when I wrote the Origin of species; and it is since that time that it has very gradually with many fluctuations become weaker. But then arises the doubt -- can the mind of man, which has, as I fully believe, been developed from a mind as low as the possessed by the lowest animal, be trusted when it draws such a grand conclusions? May not these be the result of the connection between cause and effect which strikes us as a necessary one, but probably depends merely on inherited experience? Nor must we overlook the probability of the constant inculcation in a belief in God on the minds of children producing so strong and perhaps an inherited effect on their brains not yet fully developed, that it would be as difficult for them to throw off their belief in God, as for a monkey to throw off its instinctive fear and hatred of a snake.

I cannot pretend to throw the least light on such abstruse problems. The mystery of the beginning of all things is insoluble to us; and I for one must be content to remain an Agnostic

I've added all underlining and other emphasis to the quotes above.

So, yes, Darwin certainly did not believe that mankind was created directly. He was confident in his conclusions regarding man's animal ancestry. But he was agnostic about the ultimate role God might have played in such a process. He certainly does not hold that a role for God is "impossible". Instead he explicitly says that he finds the issue "insoluble".

36 posted on 07/30/2006 4:04:07 PM PDT by Stultis (I don't worry about the war turning into "Vietnam" in Iraq; I worry about it doing so in Congress.)
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