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The Iraq Paradox - Why has it been so much harder than Afghanistan?
The Wall Street Journal ^ | July 30, 2006 | Robert L. Pollock

Posted on 07/30/2006 12:15:30 PM PDT by Zakeet

BBAGHDAD--"How was Afghanistan?" asks an aide to Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki. "Dusty," I reply, pointing at my shoes, which show every evidence of having been in Kandahar hours earlier. "And remarkably stable," I add: The press corps following Donald Rumsfeld drove from Kabul airport to the U.S. Embassy compound with no significant security, a sharp contrast to the helicopter ride that prudence dictated we take into Baghdad's Green Zone. "We'd sure like to have that kind of situation," my interlocutor says. So why does he think the U.S. mission here has been so much harder? Maybe, he says, because the Taliban didn't have 35 years to create the infrastructure of a totalitarian state, with millions of party apparatchiks and a KGB-trained intelligence service--"the same people who are still killing us today."

It's the best answer I heard to a question that nagged me on a recent visit to two of the hottest battlefronts in the war on terror. Iraq, a cosmopolitan civilization, actually knew something of representative democracy before the Baath rose to power in the 1960s. It has an educated middle class, and at least 80% of its population hated the regime when we liberated it. It seemed as fertile ground as any to test the idea that the force of U.S. arms could help improve political evolution in the Muslim world. Iraqis have vindicated that idea by bravely turning out for two elections and a constitutional referendum; but the security situation in Baghdad continues to deteriorate. And the middle class--upon whom so much depends--is fleeing Iraq in numbers.

(Excerpt) Read more at opinionjournal.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; intervention; iraq; solutions
Interesting read providing insight into an important question.

Pollock's conclusion -- things went better in Afghanistan because they were forced to solve their own problems their own way than in Iraq because we tried to solve their own problems for them.

In my opinion, his contention could also be applied to a number of other social and political issues, both here and abroad.

1 posted on 07/30/2006 12:15:31 PM PDT by Zakeet
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To: Zakeet

There is no pair of ducks about it - look West, Syria; look East, Iran; look in a hole in the ground, Saddam. AFLAC


2 posted on 07/30/2006 12:30:09 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Tom Gallagher, the anti-Crist)
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To: Zakeet

Because Iraq (unlike Afganistan) should have been partioned ....


3 posted on 07/30/2006 12:34:49 PM PDT by dodger
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To: dodger

Agreed. Give the Kurds their own state and let the Sunnis and Shiites continue their fighting.


4 posted on 07/30/2006 12:38:00 PM PDT by tdewey10 (It's time for the party to return to the principles of President Reagan.)
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To: dodger

Or because the State department and the CIA vetoed the idea of installing the Iraqi exiles as the provisional government.


5 posted on 07/30/2006 12:42:30 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: tdewey10

The Kurds have their state. But will the Turks let them keep it? Will we help them, which ought to stand to reason because they could help us put pressure on the Iranians, since so many Kurds live in Iran.


6 posted on 07/30/2006 12:44:39 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: tdewey10

" Give the Kurds their own state and let the Sunnis and Shiites continue their fighting."

One way or another, you would have to determine whether or not Kirkuk is included in the Kurdish state, which would probably be a flashpoint either way and deal with the issue of Turkey, especially if Kurdish terrorist groups were still launching raids into Turkey from Iraqi Kurdistan.


7 posted on 07/30/2006 12:50:37 PM PDT by Canard
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To: dodger
Because Iraq (unlike Afganistan) should have been partioned ....

The problem with partition is that each side will argue over the partition borders. Especially with all of Iraq's oil.

8 posted on 07/30/2006 12:53:02 PM PDT by jude24 ("I will oppose the sword if it's not wielded well, because my enemies are men like me.")
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To: RobbyS

I think that the USA has no business setting up an Islamic state anywhere in the world. It can not possibly be anything but a place of terror.


9 posted on 07/30/2006 1:03:07 PM PDT by tessalu
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To: Zakeet

Irag has OIL.


10 posted on 07/30/2006 1:14:22 PM PDT by Unicorn (Too many wimps around.)
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To: Zakeet

Do you mean New Orleans?


11 posted on 07/30/2006 1:14:52 PM PDT by MrKatykelly
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To: tessalu

The exiles were not Islamists. Generally they were secularists.


12 posted on 07/30/2006 1:33:46 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: Unicorn

Iraq has lots of oil, but the main concern has been strageic. Look at where it is.


13 posted on 07/30/2006 1:35:28 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: Unicorn
Iraq has OIL.

Best answer yet!

14 posted on 07/30/2006 8:22:06 PM PDT by dodger
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To: Zakeet
"It sucks. Honestly, it just feels like we're driving around waiting to get blown up, that's the most honest answer I could give you," said Spec. Tim Ivey, 28, of San Antonio, a muscular former backup fullback for Baylor University.

"No one wants to be here, you know, no one is truly enthused about what we do," said Sgt. Christopher Dugger, the squad leader. "We were excited, but then it just wears on you -- there's only so much you can take. Like me, personally, I want to fight in a war like World War II. I want to fight an enemy.


KGC (Kinder Gentler Compassionate) Warfighting doesn't work
We need to put our military back on the offensive - Let the Israelis take out Syria and we take out Iran.... but the main thing is get back on the offensive - stop this bullet magnet patrolling, let the Iraqis do it.

Overthrow the regimes of Syria and Iran with WW2 warfighting and mobilization.

No More KGC Warfighting.
15 posted on 07/31/2006 2:07:00 AM PDT by TomasUSMC ((FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM.))
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To: tdewey10
Give the Kurds their own state and let the Sunnis and Shiites continue their fighting.

I've got a better idea.

Give the Kurds their own state.

Annex Iran to Iraq, with the Iraqi govt in control enforced by US 50 year occupation.

Imams be gone.


BUMP

16 posted on 07/31/2006 2:34:23 AM PDT by capitalist229 (Get Democrats out of our pockets and Republicans out of our bedrooms.)
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To: Zakeet
Iraq just confirms that we picked the right place for the roach motel.

Any real estate broker will tell you it's all about location, location, location.


BUMP

17 posted on 08/01/2006 1:26:34 PM PDT by capitalist229 (Get Democrats out of our pockets and Republicans out of our bedrooms.)
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