The McCains and War: Like Father, Like Son

TIME Magazine ^ | July 29, 2006 | MASSIMO CALABRESI

[Reagan Man]

>>>>From what I hear from you so far, you are as clueless as they come.

You're the one whose running around like a chicken with his head cut off, trying to promote polling data for an election that is 2-years 3-months in the future. And it sounds to me like you're promoting the liberal Rudy Giuliani.

>>>>The reality on the ground today does not support you.

LOL There is no reality right now. No one has declared their 2008 intentions. When social conservatives get a look at Rudy`s liberal record, he'll be DOA!

I ask you again. Would you vote for a liberal in the GOP primary? In the general election? Would you vote for the liberal Rudy Giuliani?

[Jameison]

"You posted:

>>>>Neocons or RINO's?
>>>>The 2 couldn't be more apart. "

Where is Kristol and Krauthammer in that post again?
And RINO's and "neocons" are far apart on practically any issue I can think of. From abortion to defense to the support for the war on Iraq to even wanting to campaign with President Bush.
You only haver to look at the RINO Lincoln Chafee, and compare him to a "necon" like say Strom Thurmond. They were as far apart on most issues as you could get, almost like day and night.

[Reagan Man]

>>>>>McCain has a lifetime ACU rating of 83, which is higher than Shelby, Stevens, Murkowski, Lugar, Snowe, Collins, Coleman, Cochran, Gregg, Domenici, DeWine, Voinovich, Smith, Specter, Chafee, and Warner, and the same as Grassley and Bond.

Right. McCain is a pro-defense, pro-life conservative who wants to streamline the federal bureaucracy by eliminating waste, fraud and abuse in the annual budget. Sounds a lot more conservative then anything Rudy Giuliani has to offer.

[Jameison]

"You're the one whose running around like a chicken with his head cut off, trying to promote polling data for an election that is 2-years 3-months in the future. And it sounds to me like you're promoting the liberal Rudy Giuliani. "

I have facts and figures.
You have nothing apart from hot air, conjecture and bluster.
You are worse than a headless chicken.
It least it had a head before.


"There is no reality right now"

Hah Hah!
And we are all living in dreamland, and don't know what we think of John McCain either.
Apart from the dopey "Reagan Man" of course.

[kabar]

The point is that McCain is still pretty much of a conservative compared to his Senate colleagues. He is hands down more conservative than the 44 Dems and 1 Independent, and more than or equal to 18 Reps. Moreover, there are plenty of other Reps in the 80s including Isakson, Frist, Bennett, Isakson, Roberts, Hagel, Dole, Santorum, Thune, Alexander, and Thomas.

Good old Joe Lieberman who many Reps are crying about how unfairly he has been treated has a lifetime rating of 17. Feingold has a 12 and Hillary a 9. Even RINO Chafee has a 37. It is all relative, but John McCain is certainly more to the right side of the political spectrum than the left.

[Jameison]

"McCain is a pro-defense, pro-life conservative who wants to streamline the federal bureaucracy by eliminating waste, fraud and abuse in the annual budget"

And conservatives still don't like the sucker.

Even here on FR, sucker got a measly 2.7% of the 2008 vote:

John McCain 2.7% 162

http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/poll?poll=154;results=1

[Jameison]

"ask you again. Would you vote for a liberal in the GOP primary? "

Vote for Rudy over McCain the snake any day any time.
Wouldn't vote fir McCain in a primary if I had a gun pointed at my head.

[Calpernia]

>>>>But McCain was, and is, a patriot.

Yeah? Then why did he destroy data on our POW/MIAs?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1209454/posts?page=189#189

Excerpt:

b. On 9 April 1992, at the beginning of the meeting of the Select Committee and prior to the scheduled investigators' briefing, Senator McCain produced a copy of the intelligence briefing text, with whose contents he strongly disagreed. He charged that the briefing text had already been leaked to a POW/MIA activist, but was reassured by the Chairman that such was not the case. He replied that he was certain it would be leaked. Whereupon, the Chairman assured Senator McCain that there would be no leaks because all copies would be gathered and destroyed, and he gave orders to that effect. No senior staff member or attorney present cautioned against a possible violation of Title 18, U.S.C., Section 2071, or of Senate or Select Committee Rules.

[kabar]

McCain will have a harder time winning the nomination than winning the general election. It is interesting to note that in 2004 on the same ballot as Bush McCain received 77% of the vote compared to Bush's 55%. It is obvious that McCain has the support of his constituents. He is not my choice for the nomination, but I will vote for him if he becomes the GOP nominee.

[Jameison]

"He is not my choice for the nomination, but I will vote for him if he becomes the GOP nominee."

I am going to have to vote for whoever the Republican candidate is.
Any Republican that comes out on top after the Republican primaries is going to be better than what the Kos/moveon/DU crowd throw at us for the RATS.
But in the primaries, there is simply no way McCain is going to get my vote.

[Calpernia]

McCain is a Log Cabin Republican. Political Funding set up by David Mixner. David B. Mixner was a former adviser to President Clinton on gay issues. And one of the leading members of the Vietnam AntiWar activists.

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1589/is_2000_Feb_1/ai_59086772
The nation - gays donate money to John McCain; Tom Ammiano; John Rocker - Brief Article
Advocate, The, Feb 1, 2000

CAMPAIGN

Pink and green

In the world of campaign financing, $40,000 is pocket change. But for Sen. John McCain's presidential campaign, that amount is significant because of its source: the Log Cabin Republicans. Members of the gay GOP group made the contributions to the Arizona senator's campaign after McCain's campaign manager, Rick Davis, addressed them via a satellite hookup simultaneously in seven cities on December 14. Despite his support for "don't ask, don't tell" and his opposition to gay marriage, McCain has been the favored Log Cabin candidate ever since he met with the group in November and supported their inclusion in the patty. By contrast, Texas governor George W. Bush, the presumed GOP presidential front-runner, has said he sees no reason to meet with Log Cabin members.

[RebekahT]

It is all relative, but John McCain is certainly more to the right side of the political spectrum than the left.

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That may be true but it is still insufficient. Quote ratings to me as much as you want to - the conservative base will be demoralized if McCain is at the top of the ticket. They'll stay home and we'll lose.

[kabar]

That may be true but it is still insufficient. Quote ratings to me as much as you want to - the conservative base will be demoralized if McCain is at the top of the ticket. They'll stay home and we'll lose.

That is the equivalent of cutting off your nose to spite your face. Staying home helps Hillary and the other Dem candidates on the ballot. We will be electing more than a President in 2008.

[RebekahT]

I'm not talking about myself. But there are many who would just stay home of McCain were our nominee.

[bmwcyle]

As I said on the other thread, I hope the children serve with pride and honor and show their father what that means.

[kabar]

"They" would be making a big mistake.

[RebekahT]

Yes "they" would. But, knowing that, "we" would be making a big one if we nominate someone who can't win, like Sen. McCain.

[kabar]

McCain can win if he runs against Hillary, Kerry, or Gore.

[Calpernia]

Can you imagine if his son gets injuried or killed? We would have a Sheehan in the office. His whole campaign would be about his hero son and facts about McCain would be untouchable because of his son the hero.

[RebekahT]

I sure hope McCain doesn't exploit his son's honorable service. Even if he doesn't, you know the MSM will because he will be their favorite "republican" candidate.