You still don't get it: when you encourage hatred for a group based on the actions of a portion of that group, you put innocent within that group in jeapardy. When you rant on about the Jews, you place me and my family in greater danger. That's the bottom line for me...end of story.
To answer your first question to beyond-the-sea, first, I do not judge people by their religious, ethnic backgrounds. Only by their character not only as an individual, but also the dishonor they bring upon their own group. To answer the second part, if the general rule of power and influence applies to such groups, then your darned right they should. In other words, if the general rule in my family is that they all smoke cigarettes, and I do not, yet the community judges me of the same for my families stupidity, then they would be right. Right? If I defend the evil in my family, then I am castigated as one of them. And we should be. Do you wish to live in a fantasy world where the exception to that rule should be protected? From WHOM! What, or should I say, who are you afraid of? By whom do I put your family at risk by pointing out the evil factions in your group when their over powering influence literally rules the way our society thinks, destroying many of the good and decent foundations and principles which destroy the vestiges of that Liberty you and I both agree upon? It is time to hold your family accountable Sir. I do mine all the time. I have to. Without accountability my family would destroy itself. Get off your duff and tell those family members of yours to stop imposing their will upon the foundations of freedom. Cause if you do not do it, who will? The Arabs? Come on, you know as well as I they are lost. They do not even know who they are anymore. At least there is hope for your family. But, you certainly do not expect someone like me to hold them accountable do you? Again, in what way exactly have I put your family in greater danger? Have you ever suffered the ill effects of someone whose is not afraid of the truth, no matter how much it hurts? If I was to assume you are a pharmacist according to your name, tell me Sir, how have you suffered from the likes of me? A man who will never rise above the selling of my soul for the makeshift success defined by those in your "family," as you say? And why would you even consider them any part of your family if their deeds are evil? In the end, when I stand before my Maker, if will not be those in whose blood I have shared that will be my eternal family, it will be those clothed with righteousness, no matter what group they belong to. Blood may be thicker than water, but righteousness is thicker than blood.
And as I have said before, I hold no contempt for those who seek to hold the evil factions within my family responsible, I welcome it. And so should you. THAT, my dear Sir, is your shield of security. And not hiding behind excuses of those who dare to step out and call evil evil, no matter what group they belong to. The fact remains, it is not my fault that your family happens to be on the world stage. "With great power comes great responsibility." If that power destroys the principles of Liberty, it should be held accountable. If that means calling out the whole to get things set straight, then so be it. Lord knows, in my small sphere of family, its honor has been compromised because of the actions of a few. I do not hide behind of cloak of calling people bigots. I chew my families southsides up one side and down the other in FRONT of their accusers. Why? Because the truth is the truth. And that, dear Sir, is my bottom line.
I think we need a thread on the pros and cons of "Solidarity".
You contradict yourself within these sentences: once you bring "groups" in, you're talking about collective and not individual responsibility. So, on this point of denying what you're doing and then DOING it, I say you are full of it.
To answer the second part, if the general rule of power and influence applies to such groups, then your [sic] darned right they should. In other words, if the general rule in my family is that they all smoke cigarettes, and I do not, yet the community judges me of the same for my families stupidity, then they would be right. Right?
Huh? If your mom and dad smoke and you don't, people should blame you too? You're (notice the spelling) rambling incoherently now...
If I defend the evil in my family, then I am castigated as one of them.
OK--now we're getting a bit closer to agreement--I often get into arguments with my fellow Jews about people like Harvey Weinstein and Chuck Schumer--I hate the fact that very public figures like them lead the anti-Christian films and anti-gun movements in this country. But, I speak and write about that often--it has cost me friends and family. But it is MY group that I am speaking of, and I don't castigate them all--I name the ones that I think are doing harm, as I just did.
And we should be. Do you wish to live in a fantasy world where the exception to that rule should be protected? From WHOM! What, or should I say, who are you afraid of?
I am not afraid of anyone. Those defenseless Jewish women in Seattle should have been armed...and fearful. Rhetoric such as yours and Gibson's only help create an environment where antiJew violence can occur.
By whom do I put your family at risk by pointing out the evil factions in your group when their over powering influence literally rules the way our society thinks, destroying many of the good and decent foundations and principles which destroy the vestiges of that Liberty you and I both agree upon? It is time to hold your family accountable Sir. I do mine all the time. I have to. Without accountability my family would destroy itself. Get off your duff and tell those family members of yours to stop imposing their will upon the foundations of freedom. Cause if you do not do it, who will? The Arabs?
See above--already answered; I do not disagree with you on this point.
Come on, you know as well as I they are lost. They do not even know who they are anymore. At least there is hope for your family. But, you certainly do not expect someone like me to hold them accountable do you? Again, in what way exactly have I put your family in greater danger? Have you ever suffered the ill effects of someone whose is not afraid of the truth, no matter how much it hurts? If I was to assume you are a pharmacist according to your name, tell me Sir, how have you suffered from the likes of me? A man who will never rise above the selling of my soul for the makeshift success defined by those in your "family," as you say? And why would you even consider them any part of your family if their deeds are evil? In the end, when I stand before my Maker, if will not be those in whose blood I have shared that will be my eternal family, it will be those clothed with righteousness, no matter what group they belong to. Blood may be thicker than water, but righteousness is thicker than blood.
Nope--not a pharmacist.
And as I have said before, I hold no contempt for those who seek to hold the evil factions within my family responsible, I welcome it. And so should you. THAT, my dear Sir, is your shield of security. And not hiding behind excuses of those who dare to step out and call evil evil, no matter what group they belong to. The fact remains, it is not my fault that your family happens to be on the world stage. "With great power comes great responsibility." If that power destroys the principles of Liberty, it should be held accountable. If that means calling out the whole to get things set straight, then so be it. Lord knows, in my small sphere of family, its honor has been compromised because of the actions of a few. I do not hide behind of cloak of calling people bigots. I chew my families southsides up one side and down the other in FRONT of their accusers. Why? Because the truth is the truth. And that, dear Sir, is my bottom line.
Again, be specific in the individuals that are taken to task. Defending Jew-hating rhetoric is bad for many reasons, not the least of which is that there are far more non-Jews aiding the corruption of this society than Jews. For every Frank Rich there is a Don Imus and a Chris Matthews.