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Keeping the trust is the first order (Minutemen-Simcox)
Jewish World Review ^ | July 28, 2006 | Wesley Pruden

Posted on 07/28/2006 3:05:06 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182

The first thing a Minuteman has to learn is to keep his powder dry. The bigger the powder magazine, the bigger the risk of getting it all wet.

This is the lesson that Chris Simcox, the president of the volunteers on the border, who have almost single-handedly aroused the nation's conscience about the tide of illegal immigration, seems to have missed in basic training.

The "powder" is the hundreds of thousands of dollars that Americans have contributed to the Minutemen, who have been exceedingly helpful to the U.S. Border Patrol. The careful, rigorous reporting of Jerry Seper in The Washington Times reveals that the Minutemen management has not made its records of fundraising and finances public in more than a year, raising the hackles and suspicions of several top Simcox aides. Some of them have resigned, protesting the loose management of the money...."[snip]

"... All the more reason that Chris Simcox and his lieutenants must account for the money and explain what the Declaration Alliance, the grandly named political public-relations firm in Herndon, has done with the money it has collected and disbursed in the name of the Minutemen. The Declaration Alliance is the creation of Alan Keyes, the smooth-talking conservative activist and sometime pol, and is meant to provide mass mailings, public relations and "a fully accredited and independent audit." So far no one in the Minutemen management has said how much has been paid to the Declaration Alliance, and what the Minutemen got for the money...."

(Excerpt) Read more at jewishworldreview.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; immigrantlist; immigration; minuteman; minutemen; mmp; pruden; simcox
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To: Texasforever

"I am for the Pence plan."

Which one? The one with no specifics or the more specific one that excludes any human who does not live in the Americas?


223 posted on 07/29/2006 2:31:28 PM PDT by mthom
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To: Ms. AntiFeminazi
Keyes & RightMarch have been really busy with the email alerts this week.

Among other things, they want to support Randall Terry in a bid for Florida state Senate (he's running against a guy who "helped kill Terri Schaivo"), send faxes to the Senate to support Bolton's nomination (for just $29 they'll send a fax to every Senator for you), support a GOP candidate against Cynthia McKinney (if they get enough $$ they'll even consider buying some radio or newspaper ads to help the candidate), and put up billboards to defeat John Murtha.

(I will note that, although Keyes says Catherine Davis has a good chance, the Atlanta-area FReepers on the Georgia message board don't give a conservative Republican a snowball's chance in hell for election in McKinney's district.)

Of course, unless you live or travel in one of these districts, it will be impossible to tell if the promised campaign help is actually delivered, and you won't be able to verify that a fax in your name is sent to all 100 senators either.

The Form 990 which would tell what Keyes & RightMarch did during 2005 won't be available until after the election...

What's a well-meaning & concerned conservative to do?

224 posted on 07/29/2006 3:27:15 PM PDT by Amelia (If we hire them, they will come...)
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To: EternalVigilance
Pruden freely admits that Simcox and Co. have extracted such a high political price that official Washington no longer has a choice: They must at least make a good attempt at making it look like they are moving to enforce the border and our laws against hiring illegals.

Why doesn't Simcox at least recprocate by making a good attempt to make it look like he's giving an accurate accounting of the financials in question? Why is Chris Simcox willing to pay the political price of appearing to be avoiding accountability?

225 posted on 07/29/2006 3:31:25 PM PDT by Invisible Gorilla
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To: Invisible Gorilla
Why is Chris Simcox willing to pay the political price of appearing to be avoiding accountability?

Maybe appearing to be avoiding accountability is less damaging that actually showing where the money is going?

Just a thought.

226 posted on 07/29/2006 7:34:43 PM PDT by Amelia (If we hire them, they will come...)
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To: Registered

Don't talk to me about honor or bias, Registered. The people who are at the heart of these attacks here have none of the former, and tons of the latter. They lack even basic human decency.

I know who is pushing this story, their connections, and their financial and political self-interest.

Your contention, no matter how you slice it, is that I'm paid to post on FR.

Not only is that a damnable lie, it is utterly ridiculous.

I defend the Minutemen because their grassroots movement is so important to the future security and sovereignty of the US.

I defend Alan Keyes because his voice is a unique one in American politics today. Read his latest piece on the war in the ME? It provides an intellectual framework that should be the basis for the victorious prosecution of this war. Just one more example of the kind of rigorous thought that he practices and which we desperately need in this country.

I fought for Tom McClintock and against Arnold Schwarzeneggar because the choice was as clear a dichotomy between serious conservative governance and phony RINO scamming of the electorate as you are ever likely to find.

I fought for the life of Terri Schiavo because she deserved to have every God-fearing American going to bat for her.

I fight for fundamental tax reform because I want my kids and grandkids to be free and prosperous.

Those are only a few of the battles I've fought, both here and out in the real world.

What's your "vested interest here", old friend? Is it axe grinding motivated by past difficulties with some of the characters involved? Is it a pure desire to purify the fundraising habits of political folks in our party and our movement? If the former is true, maybe it is you who needs to do the "honorable thing" and shut up. If it is the latter, when can we expect your thorough expose of the K Street open borders lobby (who are fungible between K Street, the RNC and this White House) and the millions of dollars they're pulling down for protecting the importation of foreign nationals as slave labor?


227 posted on 07/29/2006 9:01:41 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (What would the Founders do?)
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To: EternalVigilance
Is it a pure desire to purify the fundraising habits of political folks in our party and our movement?

When are you going to raise your voice in defense of this, EV?

If you're expecting it of others, shouldn't those with whom you are allied at least set an example of good stewardship?

Two rights don't make a wrong, and those who are the loudest proponents of Christian morality should also be the brightest lights of honesty and accountability, don't you think?

228 posted on 07/29/2006 9:12:26 PM PDT by Amelia (If we hire them, they will come...)
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To: EternalVigilance

Do you need some NAILS to help keep you up there on that cross?

You are SUCH a loser it's pathetic.


229 posted on 07/29/2006 9:26:50 PM PDT by Howlin (Pres.Bush ought to be ashamed of himself for allowing foreign countries right on our borders!!~~Zook)
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To: Amelia

If you want to use this conservative site to do proctological exams on conservatives, that's your business.

Personally, I'm not interested.

Don't feel a calling to that branch of medicine...


230 posted on 07/29/2006 9:32:33 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (What would the Founders do?)
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To: EternalVigilance
If you want to use this conservative site to do proctological exams on conservatives, that's your business.

Why do you always try to insinuate anybody who questions ONE OF YOUR 'conservatives' is doing something wrong?

That's what THIS forum is about -- finding out the truth.

And just because it's a conservative doesn't make them immune.

Remember Larry Klayman? Remember how he suckered everybody?

Of course, I'm sure you don't see anything at all wrong with YOU ALL using FR to further your own agenda (and mailing lists).

A liar is a liar, liberal OR conservative.

231 posted on 07/29/2006 9:53:58 PM PDT by Howlin (Pres.Bush ought to be ashamed of himself for allowing foreign countries right on our borders!!~~Zook)
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To: EternalVigilance
I know who is pushing this story, their connections, and their financial and political self-interest.

Okay, so you know who is pushing this story. Name names and please tell me what their financial and political interests are. Frankly, I don't see any conspiracy. By all means, let us know exactly who is behind the news stories.

Your contention, no matter how you slice it, is that I'm paid to post on FR.

No, my point was you have a clear conflict of interest. Not that you are paid to post here by anyone you mentioned above. However,EV, it's clear there is a conflict of interest that a professional in your field shouldn't cross. Like when you were posting in the Cox threads, clearly it is an ethical lapse of judgment to have done what you did. (I know you may not see it that way, but sorry, you crossed an ethical line which makes me very uncomfortable having you here "cheerleading" for Simcox)

I don't think you will, but I challenge you to examine the information here and what catholicfreeper posted on their blog. Now imagine these stories and people were on the ideological Left. I think you would be VERY upset and HIGHLY suspect of all the linkages, and the inability of the leadership in these groups to report and spend donated money wisely. Or do you have one standard for us and another for them?

What's your "vested interest here", old friend? Is it axe grinding motivated by past difficulties with some of the characters involved?

Nope. Many of them do know me, and I haven't had a bit of problem with them. I am examining this issue from a totally objective viewpoint, something you unfortunately cannot do. Frankly, I think you should take your own advice, and be the one to shut up.
232 posted on 07/29/2006 10:06:12 PM PDT by Registered
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To: Howlin
I have no idea what you're babbling about.

But here's a picture of a bunny with a pancake on its head:


233 posted on 07/29/2006 10:09:16 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (What would the Founders do?)
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To: EternalVigilance

Oh, you know what I'm talking about.


234 posted on 07/29/2006 10:13:38 PM PDT by Howlin (Pres.Bush ought to be ashamed of himself for allowing foreign countries right on our borders!!~~Zook)
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To: EternalVigilance
Is it a pure desire to purify the fundraising habits of political folks in our party

To: Hildy; Howlin; sinkspur

To anyone who cares,

I have left the GOP, pending the Governor of Florida and/or the President the United States acting according to their sworn oaths to uphold our constitutions and innocent human life by simply giving Terri Schiavo a drink of water.

I hope and pray fervently that the Governor and/or the President and their political advisors make my decision moot by acting to save this dying American citizen today.

Those who won't act to prevent a murder in progress, when they have the power to do so, deserves no patriotic American's political support ever again.

Feel free to pass this news along to anyone in any way you feel would be appropriate.

Thomas C. Hoefling
Former National Political Director for Dr. Alan Keyes

761 posted on 03/26/2005 3:57:06 PM EST by EternalVigilance ("I thirst.")

235 posted on 07/29/2006 10:21:06 PM PDT by Howlin (Pres.Bush ought to be ashamed of himself for allowing foreign countries right on our borders!!~~Zook)
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To: Registered
Okay, so you know who is pushing this story. Name names and please tell me what their financial and political interests are. Frankly, I don't see any conspiracy. By all means, let us know exactly who is behind the news stories.

You're the detective. Since you're so damned interested in who's making a buck in the Republican Party, I'm sure you'll have no problem examining who is pushing open borders. Here's a hint: Start with Grover Norquist, Steve Moore, Newt Gingrich and Ed Gillespie and work out. Be sure that you don't miss connections to the Bush campaign and WH, the RNC, the US Chamber of Commerce, the WT, the WSJ and associated press outlets. Heck, while you're at it, investigate every lobbyist on K Street, and don't stop until you've uncovered the hundreds of fundraisers who work for Republican Party interests. You shouldn't have any problem finding them...they're the ones driving the Lexus' and the Mercedes...

No, my point was you have a clear conflict of interest.

Ridiculous.

However,EV, it's clear there is a conflict of interest that a professional in your field shouldn't cross. Like when you were posting in the Cox threads, clearly it is an ethical lapse of judgment to have done what you did.

More ridiculousness. I don't even support Cox, much less work for him. Can you find a single post of mine where I advocated for John Cox? No? What a shock...

(I know you may not see it that way, but sorry, you crossed an ethical line which makes me very uncomfortable having you here "cheerleading" for Simcox)

You only think that because you fell for one of the leaps of imagination of certain folks here with a personal, malicious and destructive agenda.

I don't think you will, but I challenge you to examine the information here and what catholicfreeper posted on their blog.

LOL...now there's a funny one. That blog is a total joke. Reminds me of an Art Bell aficionado.

Now imagine these stories and people were on the ideological Left. I think you would be VERY upset and HIGHLY suspect of all the linkages, and the inability of the leadership in these groups to report and spend donated money wisely. Or do you have one standard for us and another for them?

No. I just don't go around giving ammo to the ideological Left, as you are foolishly doing now. And your basis for doing so is very thin gruel.

236 posted on 07/29/2006 10:31:58 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (What would the Founders do?)
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To: Howlin

*yawn*


237 posted on 07/29/2006 10:33:13 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (What would the Founders do?)
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To: Howlin

bttt


238 posted on 07/29/2006 10:34:13 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: EternalVigilance

Yes, you are one big yawn.


239 posted on 07/29/2006 10:35:20 PM PDT by Howlin (Pres.Bush ought to be ashamed of himself for allowing foreign countries right on our borders!!~~Zook)
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To: EternalVigilance

What does Newt or Grover have to do with YOUR fingerprints being on a whole lot of those "fund raising" machines that we've been talking about?

I know you like to wrap yourself in the flag and the Founding Fathers, but everybody here knows you're just like them -- in it for the money.

What's the difference in THEM making a buck and YOU making a buck?

And if you didn't support or work for Cox, why was YOUR name and email on his web site?


240 posted on 07/29/2006 10:39:29 PM PDT by Howlin (Pres.Bush ought to be ashamed of himself for allowing foreign countries right on our borders!!~~Zook)
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