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Doctors Test Vaccine to Help Smokers Quit
JSOnline via AP ^ | July 27, 2006 | Marilyn Marchione

Posted on 07/27/2006 1:44:23 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin

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To: Young Scholar
Why then do so many people fail to quit even when they really wish to? Or are they just lying about their wish to quit?

I wouldn't say they are lying, but many smokers have given into the anti-smoker's mantra that "all" smokers want to quit but are so addicted they can't.......it becomes a self-fullfilling prophecy based on lies espoused by people who "know what's best" for others.

61 posted on 07/28/2006 5:41:59 AM PDT by Gabz (Taxaholism, the disease you elect to have (TY xcamel))
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To: Gabz

Clearly, lots don't, but there are certainly some who do and have a difficult time. What is less clear is whether they return to smoking because of an addiction, or just a desire to relieve stress.


62 posted on 07/28/2006 5:45:15 AM PDT by Young Scholar
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To: Young Scholar

Did ever occur to you that they must just enjoy it?


63 posted on 07/28/2006 5:50:07 AM PDT by Gabz (Taxaholism, the disease you elect to have (TY xcamel))
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To: Gabz

So if they were to prove that this actually did help some people overcome their addiction to tobacco, you'd be opposed to it?


64 posted on 07/28/2006 5:51:24 AM PDT by Gone GF
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To: Gabz

Then why do they try to quit?


65 posted on 07/28/2006 5:53:11 AM PDT by Young Scholar
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

"Let's follow the money, shall we? ;)"

The really BIG money is in treated smoking related illnesses, not in smoking cessation.


66 posted on 07/28/2006 5:55:14 AM PDT by Gone GF
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To: Gone GF

Since I do not believe tobacco is addictive, there is no answer to your question.


However, I have no opposition to people voluntarily choosing to take such a vaccine, however I do not believe it will remain voluntary, and then I will oppose it.


67 posted on 07/28/2006 5:56:12 AM PDT by Gabz (Taxaholism, the disease you elect to have (TY xcamel))
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To: Young Scholar

Primarily because busybodies have made smokers pariahs in society.


68 posted on 07/28/2006 5:57:12 AM PDT by Gabz (Taxaholism, the disease you elect to have (TY xcamel))
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To: Young Scholar
I quit about 15 years ago. Was 2 packs a day before quiting. It is a physical addiction. I gained weight, my metabolism slowed to nothing. I could have run 3 miles and never broken a sweat. All for about 90 days before returning to normal. It was not fun.

But the way to quit smoking cigarettes is to quit buying and lighting them. It's that simple. You just quit.

69 posted on 07/28/2006 6:00:12 AM PDT by kjam22
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To: Gabz
Since I do not believe tobacco is addictive,

LOL

70 posted on 07/28/2006 6:01:43 AM PDT by kjam22
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To: Gabz

"Since I do not believe tobacco is addictive, there is no answer to your question."

Umm, so why do so many people have such a hard time quitting?


71 posted on 07/28/2006 6:04:12 AM PDT by Gone GF
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To: Gone GF

Some habits are harder to break than others, particularly when one feels one is being forced to do something against one's will.


72 posted on 07/28/2006 6:07:01 AM PDT by Gabz (Taxaholism, the disease you elect to have (TY xcamel))
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Hey.... You take a person who smokes a couple of packs a day and have them go 6 or 7 hours without a cigarette. They're not as sharp mentally. They're short of breath. They may be shakey of hand. Fidgety. The heart rate may change.

And you think those physical attributes are just do to being without a habit??

73 posted on 07/28/2006 6:11:39 AM PDT by kjam22
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The only time I ever experienced any such similar phenonmena was when I went from 6 pots of coffee a day to 2 cups.


74 posted on 07/28/2006 6:17:29 AM PDT by Gabz (Taxaholism, the disease you elect to have (TY xcamel))
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To: Gabz

:) I imagine that would to it too!


75 posted on 07/28/2006 6:20:51 AM PDT by kjam22
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To: kjam22

It took several weeks for the problems to finally disappear. That was nearly 20 years ago and to this day I have serious problems later in the day if I happen to have more than 2 cups of coffee in the morning.


76 posted on 07/28/2006 6:28:53 AM PDT by Gabz (Taxaholism, the disease you elect to have (TY xcamel))
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To: Gabz

And there you make the same sort of broad-brushed generalization about people trying to quit that you complain about non-smokers making about smokers. You insult people genuinely trying to improve their lives by quitting by claiming their just giving into social pressure. And yet you complain that non-smokers assume all smokers want to quit.


77 posted on 07/28/2006 7:26:04 AM PDT by Young Scholar
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To: Gone GF
So if they were to prove that this actually did help some people overcome their addiction to tobacco, you'd be opposed to it?

I'm not opposed to it at all.
I'm opposed to the way they are marketing it.
They are, in fact, comparing smoking to being a "disease".
It's one more step in vilifying smokers for no other reason than they smoke tobacco.

This is not a "vaccine". This is a stop smoking help.
A vaccine is meant to give immunity to a "disease".

Smoking is not a "disease". It's a choice.

78 posted on 07/28/2006 7:31:55 AM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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Since I do not believe tobacco is addictive, there is no answer to your question.

Denial.

That reminds of the Richard Pryor joke. I've known people who've smoked every day for 30 years, yet they are still not addicted.

79 posted on 07/28/2006 7:55:55 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: Gone GF
"Since I do not believe tobacco is addictive, there is no answer to your question."

Umm, so why do so many people have such a hard time quitting?

Maybe they like the stench, or the stained fingers and teeth. Others may like chronic bronchitis, emphysema, lung cancer, or bones that won't heal.

And anyone who tries to come up with a treatment to help them quit is part of a conspiracy against them.

80 posted on 07/28/2006 8:03:22 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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