Posted on 07/27/2006 8:05:15 AM PDT by Spiff
See post #18. These are just two out of dozens of current immigration laws that have contradictory enforcement or requirement methods and need reforming. People say all the time that this is 'easy as enforcing current laws', but it isn't. So many current laws have been passed, that any law you pick is contradicted by another.
Very disapointing.I've read recently that the number of illegals in the US is around 30 million(ie more than twice the number DC claims).
Please explain the shortcomings in the existing laws which require reforming.
Please explain what Pence's *NEW* plan will do when these millions of illegal aliens don't go home.
Please explain what penalties Pence's *NEW* law will exact on the Executive branch when it refuses to enforce Pence's *NEW* law as they've done with the existing laws.
That is one of the rubs in the current laws.. illegal entry is only a misdemeanor and the asylum or entry laws only have stipulations against felony breaches.
I don't have my Black's handy, but my Barron's law dictionary, 1996, defines `amnesty' as:
"a pardon that is extended to a group of persons and that excuses them for criminal offenses. A grant of amnesty is usually motivated by political reasons and may be limited or conditioned."
It could be more. It could be less. No one knows. No one is accurately counting them. I wonder why.
So you say.
Please point how exactly how Pence's *NEW* law will be addressing *all* of these supposed contradictions. Will they be revoked? Superceded?
I also asked what Pence's *NEW* law will do when these illegals don't go home and, by definition, don't apply for the guest worker program.
And, I asked what will Pence's *NEW* law do when the Executive branch refuses to enforce Pence's *NEW* law as they've done with the existing laws.
The first case applied to use OF EXISTING IMMIGRATION LAW (i.e. go back home, get in line BEHIND those who have NOT entered the US illegally, wait 'til your turn comes up, then come back legally).
The second case applies to s "new/better" process, in which current illegal go home for a day or two, get a new "special" visa, and come right back to their previously-illegal activities.
The second case is simply a wide-open amnesty, despite Pence continuing to say that "it's not an amnesty".
"No one is accurately counting them.I wonder why?"I think the American public would freak out if they were aware of how many are in this country illegally.
BINGO!
Unfortunately, Pence and friends want to push the criminals to the front of the line.
Why?... because being illegal is against the law...
The only question has become is "illegal" just legal wrangling... and what about other things that are illegal..
The laywers seem to have made a mess.. pity that most politicians are lawyers.. Indeed in this country everyone is equal, but no doubt some are a little more equal than others.. i.e. a license to be illegal..
Answer; Arrest and Sieze the business of anyone knowingly doing business with an illegal insurgent.. That will send shock waves though the culture.. Because the insurgents are not guests of the U.S. they are insurgents.. Did I say insurgent enough?..
Why most of Hollywood (Beverly Hills, Bel Air, etc.) could be `jugged' today:
http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode08/usc_sec_08_00001324----000-.html
But the law is "toothless" and our law enforcement congress-critters have been neutered by special interests.
And our pathetic attempts to control our southwest border control are something like attempts to circumvent the 2nd Amendment: "We need . . . more laws!"
pence plan needs killing. the border needs to be sealed and the illegals kicked out. period.
this is not our first chance. this is our last chance. if WE fail this time the internationalist get control of the agenda forever and we get a boot in the face.
Do you ever attack the message or do you always attack the messenger? Wouldn't it be better to argue your point factually rather than lash out and attack those with whom you do not share the same view?
Funny, I remember when this first started was yelling that they should 'leave the country Period. And if we need people we can process in new citizens who have never committed any crime including entering illegally
And who are drawn from every country in the world
from Iceland To South Africa, From Norway to South Korea
Every corner of the globe, not giving ANY preference to the few nations to our immediate south.
My Position Has Not Changed.
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